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 my shiitake 
#5258513 - 02/03/06 10:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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here is my shiitake on rice straw that was dunk 24 hrs. this is what happened in 2 days ago. woot! 3 heads sticking out....eh?
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Re: my shiitake [Re: srgtm1a]
#5260707 - 02/03/06 10:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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check out the growth rate after just 1 day
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fantastic, i'm very jealous.
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definetly gets me wanting to try some shitake straw experiments, thanks thaimon!
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here they are at 5 days!! i even spotted some more pins coming from the back end too! this straw tek is kicking ass, the sawdust---nothing just a big clump... in a week or so i will go big on straws and make another 50 bags as it seems the return is good.
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Fantastic, I am very curious about their taste. Would it be the same as for the ones grown on a wood based substrate?
What is your substrate formula? Any additives? Did you pasteurize or sterilize the straw? Your fruiting temperature must be high if they are growing that fast. Is it a warm weather strain?
Good luck with your bulk grow.
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Re: my shiitake [Re: Owl]
#5268877 - 02/06/06 11:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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i prefer the taste of straw grown, i had some oysters on straw and sawdust..the straw tasted 1000X better but has a lesser yeild...
i use a 70/30 straw and rice husk with bits of broken rice not more that 3% of the substrate. then i just soak them in bleach and lime overnight..then drain and have it bake in the sun for another day in a tote. seems going right along..can't wait to taste them. now i wish my sawdust logs would do the same!
the strain is from Aloha Medicinals strain #75..it seems to produce more fruits from just that small log i'm getting at lease 5 of the beauties
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very nice looking man !
but ur shiitake got some very dark brown caps,
im used to caps in a lighter brown tone ?
ayway, very nice 
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how much spawn did you use?
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Re: my shiitake [Re: ohmatic]
#5269214 - 02/06/06 02:05 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think the caps are darker due to the strain.. this is the promotion pic from Aloha Medicinals as you will see they are the same as mine in color tone. the rate of spawn was around 20%.
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Shiitake are sensible to light. Try different lightning and you'll have different tones.
The shrooms on your photo are not high quality mush. It's impressive but they are a bit to old. The end caps have to be well in roll to be the bests.
Here another shiitake flush. They are to hold too, to be the bests.
That's the kind of flush you need to be in business.
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Quote:
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i prefer the taste of straw grown, i had some oysters on straw and sawdust..the straw tasted 1000X better but has a lesser yeild...
I do not agree with you. The shiitake on sawdust woodchips has a better texture and 1000X shrooms.
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Re: my shiitake [Re: micololo2]
#5272210 - 02/07/06 03:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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ehi mate but "de gustibus non disputandum est"  Of course on woodchips will be a better texture and many more mushrooms but, i know, not for my direct experience, that mushrooms grow on different substrates that are not sawdust woodchips has got a good taste, a taste less "lignin" , less strong.
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Re: my shiitake [Re: micololo2]
#5276304 - 02/08/06 06:36 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Better quality or not, such a flush on a straw based substrate provides nice opportunities for people to grow shiitake where sawdust is not cheaply available and with a minimum of fuel/gas that would be needed for sterilization.
Awesome flush mycololo. Do all your blocks produce this much?
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Re: my shiitake [Re: Owl]
#5276439 - 02/08/06 09:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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The last pic was not from my production. It came from NAMA forum pics bank. Just want to show what kind of flush you need to be in business. I don't wait that much to harvest. Quality is my first preoccupation. You maybe saw my shiitake on my old posts, here again one of pics of my shiitake, its always like that. I do pasteurize the sawdust with propane gaz. I use a 2-100 pds prop. tank, It's cheap. If I ever get my camera I'll show you my system. I've explained that system in another post. The new one I've just made cost me $180. and can pasteurize 144-6 pds blocks a day or 864 pds. substrate for a few $ propane gaz. First flush shiitake will pay a lot more than that. I don't have the money to invest in a big sophisticated system to grow mushs, I do my best with what I can find around me. Happy it works.
BTW Because I inoculate my subs. outdoors, and its to cold these days (-10C), I cannot grow mush in my $100 grow rooms even. Have to wait.
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just thought id bring this back up since this is next on my list.
^^^ thats a hella impressive flush for straw 
do you have any more updates on the shiitakes?
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Re: my shiitake [Re: zeegos]
#6269865 - 11/10/06 08:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually I'm kinda glad you brought this back up. Any updates Siam?
Definitely an interesting twist on the sawdust methods. I'm curious about production times and pasteurization methods etc. also we found out there's tons of free rice straw for us around here...
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I didn't even notice when this thread originally ran that he's using the same strain I am. I really like the 75 from Aloha medicinals. I'll drop John an email and see if I can get him in here. I'm sure he'll have some suggestions on substrates.
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sorry i have been busy with my new additions to the family...the straw tek is surely a whole lot faster the yeild could be more tho but that can be off set by more substrate. i could use sawdust but it takes months to a year. using the straw i can get it in faster. also the straw tastes better! and yes i do use rice straw.
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Well quicker and better tasting are good places to start! I also saw he was using the 75 strain, which of course is excellent. I love John's ideas and his work, he's definitely an amazing resource!
Also Thai - Congratulations! So you say new additions! (plural?) You must really have your hands full! That's wonderful, and such a blessing.
Back to the shiitake - so if and when you have time - how long from spawning to fruiting on the wheat straw?
I like the use of the lime bath for pasteurization. What are the amounts you use? Also I notice that during a hot water pasteurization, that the rice straw seems to degrade/breakdown a little and has quite a pungent smell, is this the same with the lime/bleach bath?
Did you ever do your 50 more bags? results?
Do you add any supplementation (or would you recommend any)?
Since Micolo2 mentioned yields, what do you think your yields were for your bags?
Okay I'll let you get back to the kids!
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I'd love to get a wedge of that.. but for 100$ DAMN!
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I'd love to get a wedge of that.. but for 100$ DAMN!
Yeah, but for commercial operations, the old adage holds true - you gotta spend money to make money!
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true!
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That $100 culture will last many years and thousands of grows if you preserve it properly.
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No doubt. The thing is, is I'd love to actualy taste them, see them, see how they fruit for myself before shelling out $100. You know?
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Quote:
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Well quicker and better tasting are good places to start! I also saw he was using the 75 strain, which of course is excellent. I love John's ideas and his work, he's definitely an amazing resource!
Also Thai - Congratulations! So you say new additions! (plural?) You must really have your hands full! That's wonderful, and such a blessing.
Back to the shiitake - so if and when you have time - how long from spawning to fruiting on the wheat straw?
I like the use of the lime bath for pasteurization. What are the amounts you use? Also I notice that during a hot water pasteurization, that the rice straw seems to degrade/breakdown a little and has quite a pungent smell, is this the same with the lime/bleach bath?
Did you ever do your 50 more bags? results?
Do you add any supplementation (or would you recommend any)?
Since Micolo2 mentioned yields, what do you think your yields were for your bags?
Okay I'll let you get back to the kids!
Light and Love,
JD
I don't have access t wheat, i use a 70/30 straw and rice husk(hull) with bits of broken rice not more that 3% for the substrate. then i just soak them (cold) in bleach 1/2 cup to 15 gallons h20 and lime 1/4 cup to 15 gallons h2o overnight(it doesn't have a funky smell)..then drain and have it bake in the sun for another day in a tote.
i did a 24hrs dunk after the substrate was colonized. i took a bit more than a month to get fruits..also the fruits i got was great in comparasion to the substrate ratio. the bag of substrate fitted into the palm of my hand with ease so its not a big bag. and yes i did the 50 bags and all provided fruits..very deliciuos may i add. again i only have done this to the strain 75, i have over 5 different strains, but haven't had the chance to go into my hobby full time with 2 toddlers running me into an old man.
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I've read in GGMM about chemical pasteurization procedures, but yours sounds quite nice. I'm guessing the day in the sun step neutralizes the bleach solution? Very interesting, I might have to try this one out soon. I've been refining Roger Rabbit's oyster log for my setup and it is looking quite good, but being able to set up and leave it overnight to pasteurize would better fit my schedule. I too have a little one running around, and he makes it hard for me to squeeze in RR's tek on a week night.
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is there a specific type of bleach to be used?
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I don't have access t wheat, i use a 70/30 straw and rice husk(hull) with bits of broken rice not more that 3% for the substrate. then i just soak them (cold) in bleach 1/2 cup to 15 gallons h20 and lime 1/4 cup to 15 gallons h2o overnight(it doesn't have a funky smell)..then drain and have it bake in the sun for another day in a tote.
i did a 24hrs dunk after the substrate was colonized. i took a bit more than a month to get fruits..also the fruits i got was great in comparison to the substrate ratio. the bag of substrate fitted into the palm of my hand with ease so its not a big bag. and yes i did the 50 bags and all provided fruits..very deliciuos may i add. again i only have done this to the strain 75, i have over 5 different strains, but haven't had the chance to go into my hobby full time with 2 toddlers running me into an old man.
siam
You know, I don't know how I mixed that up...I knew you were talking about rice straw, and for some crazy reason, wrote wheat...my bad!
As far as your soak water- do you use a total of 30 gallons? 15 w/ bleach and 15 w/lime or is a total of 15 gallons of water w/ bleach and lime? Thanks!
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it's a total of 15 gallons of water w/ bleach and lime together.
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