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Re: MDMA Question [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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CP is the way to be


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"Psychedelics should be used not to escape reality, but to embrace it"


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: Phive_Sicks]
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Not to say that drugs are the only thing to talk about but c'mon. lookat the name of this website... you'd be an idiot not to expect there to be some talk about drugs on the website unnatural or not.

Second of all i don't see anything wrong with someone asking a simple question about drugs. It's nice to be able to go somewhere and ask a bunch of people about their experiences with drugs.

Third of all if you don't like waht people talk about in here why don't YOU go find somewhere else where people don't talk about drugs instead of wishing people here didn't.

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: capliberty]
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I agree MDMA is as about as safe as aspirin, which to me is pretty safe

Spoken in ignorance the way the anti-drug propaganda machine wants you to think. (I don't mean that as a flame.) The toxic nature of a drug has zero, nothing, nadda, zip to do with the toxic nature of the chemicals that go into the creation of a drug...

I entirely disagree with this statement. It does have a lot to do with the toxic nature of the drug. I've done both crystal and MDMA, and I'm talking MDMA uncut. Ice is like pumping toxic chemicals into your body, and it'll fucking kill you dead, for all the chemicals don't mix well with you system at all. Your blood pressure gets all screwed, you heart is working extra tough, your enzymes are fucked, its not good. Plus even if this was the case, the fact that Crystal is so more complicated to make, that its commonly inconsistent, and this inconsistency can cause an adverse reaction. I've even had crank that purely just gave an auditory hallucination nothing else. Which to me was just totally bogus. This is far from the potential harm of MDMA. Just look at the overall cases of ODs of each, there is no comparison.

What I define as hard or soft drugs comes down to its potential harm. When I mean potential harm, I'm not talking about being lethargic say on pot, or being an alcoholic, I'm referring simply to potential of this drug doing something seriously bad to this individual in the short term. Hard drugs to me is something that has you strung out, can't function normally, has you living under undesirable conditions and has the potential to kill your ass flat out.

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: capliberty]
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capliberty said:
I agree MDMA is as about as safe as aspirin, which to me is pretty safe


Are you serious?

That shit makes me want to commit suicide for the whole week after I take it. There's no way it can be good for your brain. I've never had depression worse than the times after I've taken MDMA.


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: Phive_Sicks]
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So MDMA doesn't exist in this natural world of ours? Are you saying that unnatural (as in not occuring natively in nature) things are bad? Like bridges, literacy, and vaccines?

Whereas anything mushroom related is ok because cultivated shrooms that are then used for an extraction are totally natural.

Stop defining what you like and don't like as natural and unnatural. Say "I don't like this" or "I do like this" and stop concealing the true basis for your opinion to prop up a bogus stance. Leave that move to the GOP.

and btw - homosexuality is totally natural, so don't even try to make that argument. Almost every species of animal has members which engage in butt-humping.


Hella - in my exerience there are some people who get hit really hard by the after-effects of mdma. I've never had anything worse than a day of blah feeling followed by a week of maybe 10% less sunshine. This is even counting nights where I ate four or so pills. My wife has it a bit worse - she'll cry a bit the day after and feel blah for most of a week. Then again she's hardly ever had really quality pills and the last time was lousy quality. We found that 5-HTP taken before and after a roll helps considerably too. We'll take about 10-15 pills of HTP each split pretty evenly over the three days before and after rolling.


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Yes, I could go drive somewhere everytime the urge to defecate hits, but...where's the fun in that.
-Moth

Edited by SilentG (10/24/06 10:51 AM)

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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sounds like fun, be sure to do it as often as possible.


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I beat my dick like it owes me money.

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: Phive_Sicks]
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fuck that, I'll leave it for the homos.


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: capliberty]
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Look you might've taken Ecstasy, most the tabs out there are X, not pure MDMA, in fact 90% of the tabs are ecstasy, MDMA usually comes in a different form such as a capsule.

Try black liquorish pure MDMA, and tell me if you feel anything wrong. I'll guarantee you'll have the roll of your life and very clean roll at that.

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: capliberty]
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I've had pure MDMA.

DRRRR


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Aye, me too


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: capliberty]
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Well some people want to commit suicide off LSD, and its pretty safe as well.

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Re: MDMA Question [Re: capliberty]
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yeah, but that's for a different reason, ie ego shock or a bad trip.


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: SilentG]
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You're trying to make a point but it isn't working.

If this were a a forum about Doorknobs, i don't really see the reason to post a topic about bridges.

I never said that unnatural things are all bad. But then again, i've never read of an instance where someone driving over too many bridges during a certain time period in a day caused him to die.


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: Phive_Sicks]
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what about during the LA earthquake?


OMG PWN3D4G3 2 teh m4xx0rzzz LOL


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Re: MDMA Question [Re: Phive_Sicks]
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Phive_Sicks said:
You're trying to make a point but it isn't working.

If this were a a forum about Doorknobs, i don't really see the reason to post a topic about bridges.

I never said that unnatural things are all bad. But then again, i've never read of an instance where someone driving over too many bridges during a certain time period in a day caused him to die.


No. Your original statement was basically "Unnatural drugs are bad. People shouldn't talk about them here." I think that's a pretty reasonable interpretation of "[ I ] Just wish people would find other places to post about unnatural drugs" and also your comments about a gateway drug type effect from going on the shroomery and trying even harder drugs.

Your text was pretty clear, and I don't think I'm reading anything else into it. So I made a pretty standard argument against natural vs unnatural arguments (which are bogus arguments).

Last I read the "pub" forum is for "laid-back discussion on any topic".

So this isn't a forum for discussion about "door knobs" or any other one particular thing. Sorry you didn't like the subject of this dude's post, but don't pretend your opinion has extra merit due to forum guidelines, natural vs unnatural arguments, or anything else for that matter.

And the bridges comment was saying that bridges are unnatural yet quite good for us and our society. Hence unnatural things can be quite beneficial, and the natural vs unnatural argument is some BS. Of course nobody dies because they drive over a functioning bridge - that's the point of what I wrote.

So maybe the reason my point "isn't working" is because you weren't really understanding or even trying to get it.

I don't mean to come down so hard or anything, but it chaps my ass when people make arbitrary judegment calls (this drug is ok, this one is bad) and then try to back them up with BS. In my experiences shrooms have been just as harmful in the short run as MDMA, which is to say not very. A couple overly intense shroom trips were incredibly unpleasant, and a couple times I took way too many pills and felt shitty the next day too.


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Yes, I could go drive somewhere everytime the urge to defecate hits, but...where's the fun in that.
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Re: MDMA Question [Re: 55511121fro]
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If you've done street X, you've almost certainly done meth too. They're very often both in the same bean.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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