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 MrNobody
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 Any success with straight vermiculite casing? 
#594933 - 03/31/02 08:45 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi. I am a casing virgin. I want to keep it simple for my first casing experiment(s). I am wondering what kind of success anybody has had with only vermiculite. I know that it is harder to tell how moist the layer is --- any other setbacks? Thanks a lot.
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MrNobody
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 Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#594943 - 03/31/02 08:58 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, it is necessary to bring the humidity down to about 85% after they pin. What happens if you don't? Why not keep it humid? Rottage?
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 Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#594952 - 03/31/02 09:02 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the myc. will start growing up the stalk of the mushy if the humidity is to high
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#594953 - 03/31/02 09:04 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i had some success with straight verm but if you can find coco coir mix some verm in with the coir. you can tell very easily if the coir is dry or not
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: RedeyedElf]
#594954 - 03/31/02 09:04 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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OH NO NOT THAT!!!!!!! hah, hah,...so what?
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: RedeyedElf]
#594956 - 03/31/02 09:05 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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verm works fine.
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#595222 - 04/01/02 04:45 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Straight verm works great. The worst thing I've seen about straight verm is sometimes, when the mushies start to get big, they will just fall over. As long as it doesn't break the roots loose, they will continue to grow. 
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: WakingUpLate]
#595244 - 04/01/02 05:56 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have a strait verm casing going now-it just started pinning-lipa yai-it seems to take a little longer than 50/50 to me-but maybe thats just me 
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
#595263 - 04/01/02 06:30 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Straight verm is a good choice for newbie casers..... get it wet and squeeze till just a few drops come out... then case evenly about a 1/4 to a 1/2 inch. Works great. I went with straight verm my first few casings and had great flushes and nice size fruits. I misted daily with bottled water.then when you see primordia hold off mistings till you harvest....then mist daily again till next flush. Make sure you don`t drown your casing though... just lightly mist. Good luck !
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: Numba9]
#595276 - 04/01/02 06:46 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont mist my casings at all-i use4 perlite for humidity-i mist them in between flushes-and hold off while they are pinning and maturing-i have great results-using hmf i harvested 120 fresh grams from 2 1/2 pint cakes cased with plain old 50/50-
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#595371 - 04/01/02 09:29 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think straight vermiculite is they way to go when starting to learn how to case. My friend has never had a simple vermiculite casing contaminate. It doesn't fruit quite as well as a 50/50 or coir casing, but is simple for learning. Once you get a few plain vermiculite casings under your belt, move up to something better, but more difficult. My friend claims that coir/verm/chalk/oystershell casings give her the best pinsets and fruitbodies, but she is still learning how to keep them from contaminating. The 50/50 seems to fall in between somewhere giving decent pinsets and seldom contaminating.
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: GaNjAShRooM]
#595511 - 04/01/02 12:56 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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ganja, never mist? I would imagine whatever you use to case is drying out a little bit, try misting you may notice healthier fruits. You shouldnt deprive them of the moisture they thrive from
I think you should use coir! It will be much easier to mantain the proper moisture in it, shouldnt be any different then using stright vermiculite. Vermiculite can be very hard to judge the moisture content. When coco coir gets dry it is obvious. IME the moisture of the casing is crucial.
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 Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: pleezr]
#595865 - 04/01/02 08:29 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Am I correct when I say that straight vermiculite casing layers don't need to be sterilized? They have no nutrients to feed the contamination, correct?
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#596317 - 04/02/02 08:58 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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The vermiculite can still contain spores or whatnot that can find their way down into your substrate and make a mess of things. I almost always sterilize my casing layers, regardless of the type. It really sucks to loose a month of work when the casing contaminates. Some people pasteurize and others do nothing. Play around and see what works for you.
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: Seuss]
#596346 - 04/02/02 09:29 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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in the experience of a friend of mine verm. casings do really well, and contrary to a previous post...... in my friends findings they seem to pin a little faster than 50/50+, but i bet he just changed somehting somewhere down the line. go for it! oh yeah, my friends verm. casings were never pc'd and never contamed but i would suggest doing it if you have one, why not?
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: pleezr]  1
#596381 - 04/02/02 10:06 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i didt post that ringt-lol-i actually misread a post and replied to a post thw wrong way-i do mist the casing a good time in between flushes:) sorry for the misunderstanding
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 Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: MrNobody]
#596385 - 04/02/02 10:12 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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god
I can't believe you guys
Vermiculite is so VILE.........!
STOP USING VERMICULITE...!
its poisionous, it flavors the mushies badly, and you have to breath a lot of that stuff in when working with it.. gold flakes anyone?
my mind is slipping, but there is a name for those gold flakes..
verm is not healthy.
use coir and peat.
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: Seril]
#596390 - 04/02/02 10:22 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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so...what's working as well for u ??
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: Seril]
#596408 - 04/02/02 10:50 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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> but there is a name for those gold flakes..
Mica
There is nothing wrong, vile, toxic, or nasty about vermiculite. Way back there was an asbestos scare related to a single mica mine. You are more likely to find asbestos in talcum powder than you are in vermiculite. Perlite (dust) on the other hand is actually pretty nasty in comparison, but I seldom hear anybody screaming about it.
> verm is not healthy
Not really. Get your facts together before shouting fire.
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Re: Any success with straight vermiculite casing? [Re: Seuss]
#596825 - 04/02/02 05:02 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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your facts look about as good as mine.
vermiculte still spoils the taste of good mushrooms, however.
and i'd really rather not eat mica.
my point was, you can get around verm with coir/peat.
doesn't ruin the flavor of shaggy's, oysters etc. in my experiance.
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