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Shroomery Content Management System v2.0
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As some of you may know we've been planning to switch the Shroomery over to a wiki-style system which allows users to easily submit and edit content on the site. The whole premise behind a system like this is that anyone can add, change, or edit information. All actions are logged, and can be easily reverted in case of vandalism or the like. Hopefully this will usher in a new age of high quality, up-do-date material. After a couple months of work I've got a system in place which offers most of the functionality we're looking for. However, since it's the largest solo project I've worked on and the whole AJAX thing is new to me anyway, there are bound to be an above average number of 'errata'. I'd like to start getting some people on the new system to help identify the worst bugs, missing features and design flaws so I can get the system to a finalized state and roll it out on the live site.

Notes:
The script is designed to work in the latest versions of Firefox, Opera and IE, and Koqueror without WYSIWYG editing. Safari is untested but probably the same as Konqueror.
I've heard reports that there are problems in IE but it's worked fine for me on multiple computers. I'd like to hear from other IE users.
The drop-down navigation bar at the top of the page hasn't been updated to point to the test location so please don't use it for navigation yet.
Don't worry about messing anything up it takes 5 seconds to restore.

When reporting bugs, please include as much information as possible, including your OS, browser and version, and any steps which can be taken to reproduce the problem. All questions, comments and suggestions are also welcome!

Quick & Dirty Instructions:

You must have an account on the BB and be logged in to access the edit functionality.

Go to http://www.shroomery.org/cms

You can use the six links in the title image, or the search form to get started.

To re-order a list of items (eg documents, sections) move your mouse over the caption so a border appears, then drag it to the new location. If you already have the section sorted by name, rating or date (you'll see an arrow by the sort option), you won't be able to manually reorder documents. You must click 'reset' first so no default sort order is specified.

To change an item's caption, move your mouse over it so a border appears, then double-click. To save the changes, press Enter or click outside the edit field. To discard changes, press escape.

To change an item's name, open the item, then edit its name at the top of the page the same way you edit a caption.

To edit or move an item, open it and use the appropriate tab at the bottom.

To rate an item, open it and click the desired star rating in the 'Information' tab.

All changes are logged and can be undone. To view the history of a document, compare revisions, or go back to an earlier copy, open it and use the 'Revisions' tab.

To add a new item, go to the desired section and use the 'Add New' tab. The script will automatically detect when a file upload is an image.

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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Looks good so far.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: koppie]
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Very cool.

I have like, 6 browsers here at school, so I'll muck around a bit on each of them and see if I cant find something broken.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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i went to cultivation from your link
i got the following pop-up ( error?)
Quote:
infinite menus muste ( yes thats their spelling) be purchased for internet use


i dunno if this is supposed to be there, but i figured i would give you a heads up

xp media edition
I.E.

adding content:
with I.E., the add image doesnt open fully, so you cant add the image url, ALSO with I.E., the continue botton doesnt work ( for submitting the work) .

I tried adding with firefox, and everything worked PERFECTLY!


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Edited by ChromeCrow (07/27/06 11:33 AM)

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: ChromeCrow]
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I am getting the same "Infinite Menus muste be purchased for Internet use"

I am using XP w/SP2 at the moment; IE v. 6.0.2900.2180.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158

I can reproduce the problem by using your link and entering Agar as my search term (no quotes).

Looks like a licensing issue.
-ghost


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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Couldn't this make the site somewhat vulnerable to spam attacks and shit???


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Jim]
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I was wondering the same.. I wouldn't doubt that it is all backed up though. Does it list the people who have edited documents and what changes they made? When I tried to check the cms out, it wasn't working for me because of my browser.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: eris]
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Thanks for the reports guys! Please keep them coming!

I've fixed the problem with Infinite Menus thinking it's unregistered.

ChromeCrow, I just spend a while testing the 'Add Document' functionality and I couldn't reporoduce your problem. Does it only happen when you try to add a 'File' item? The 'continue' button stays disabled until you enter a title, caption and filename but I understand if the filename field isn't visible that may not be possible. Do you get any javascript errors or anything like that?

Finally, yes this could open us up to spam attacks but ultimately I don't think they'll be much of a problem. You must have an account on the BB to make edits, and miuse of the system will result in a ban. It's also possible to show a list of the latest revisions, and mass-undo by user. So if someone defaces 100 documents it'll still just take one click to and a couple seconds to fix. And of course in a worst case we always have the nightly backups.

Thanks again everyone for taking the time to check this out!

Peace,

-Y

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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One way to avoid spam and vandalism would be to require a minimum amount of posts, say 200, to be able to edit content.

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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Ythan said:
ChromeCrow, I just spend a while testing the 'Add Document' functionality and I couldn't reporoduce your problem. Does it only happen when you try to add a 'File' item? The 'continue' button stays disabled until you enter a title, caption and filename but I understand if the filename field isn't visible that may not be possible. Do you get any javascript errors or anything like that?



-Y


it was adding a document. was comleted w. title etc.

ok, i change my screen res and got a bigger box for images.... but still not the full box i got on firefox( at a lower res)

the continue seems to be working on IE now

no errors


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: ChromeCrow]
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A thought that occurs is that perhaps all changes do not need to be made to the site as a whole in one instant. Why not create a team that reviews changes before submitting them to the actual site, or something? Almost like moderators. I think there is a liability issue here, considering the nature of the content. Someone could easily make the wrong statements which could create a lot of trouble.

I think this would put us in a great position to prevent problems from occuring, instead of reacting to potentially serious problems (misinformation, provoking authorities, etc.). There could be a great number of reviewers in place to ensure changes are activated as soon as possible, since we have a great amount of trusted individuals here, and it wouldn't be as though it would be overly time consuming to review the proposed content.

Does anyone else see why this might be necessary? :grin:

I think this could really revitalize the site itself, sweet stuff. :thumbup:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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I wouldn't fear
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Like being here
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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
A thought that occurs is that perhaps all changes do not need to be made to the site as a whole in one instant. Why not create a team that reviews changes before submitting them to the actual site, or something? Almost like moderators. I think there is a liability issue here, considering the nature of the content. Someone could easily make the wrong statements which could create a lot of trouble.

I think this would put us in a great position to prevent problems from occuring, instead of reacting to potentially serious problems (misinformation, provoking authorities, etc.). There could be a great number of reviewers in place to ensure changes are activated as soon as possible, since we have a great amount of trusted individuals here, and it wouldn't be as though it would be overly time consuming to review the proposed content.

Does anyone else see why this might be necessary? :grin:

I think this could really revitalize the site itself, sweet stuff. :thumbup:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


Totally agree. Lets say for instance this new section of the website is indexed by google. A dumb individual manages to surf through to the site from their not actually realizing a unqualifed indivdual posted incorrect information their. He consumes the mushroom hoping to get high and ends up in the hospital or even worse dead. Next thing you know his parents are persuing a lawsuit and other legal actions against shroomery.org . I think this forum is great and their are many qualified members here who may have already saved lives by advising someone a mushroom is poisonus or not to eat unidentified mushrooms. I just hope this new addition to the site doesn't cause the site to be closed due to legal problems. I think moderators would be the way to go as proposed by fireworksgod.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Montanahunter420]
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The same validity problem and disclaimer will apply as with Wikipedia, along the lines of:

" Wikipedia is an online open-content collaborative encyclopedia, that is, a voluntary association of individuals and groups who are developing a common resource of human knowledge. The structure of the project allows anyone with an Internet connection and World Wide Web browser to alter its content. Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise required to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information.

That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information in Wikipedia; much of the time you will. However, Wikipedia cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here. The content of any given article may recently have been changed, vandalized or altered by someone whose opinion does not correspond with the state of knowledge in the relevant fields."

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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SO someone can edit my posts? No thanks.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: sunshine]
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No, you don't quite understand.....

Quote:
Collaborative editing

Collaborative editing is the practice of groups producing works together through individual contributions. Most usually it is applied to textual documents or programmatic source code. Such asynchronous contributions are very efficient in time, as group members need not assemble in order to work together. Generally, managing such work requires software; the most common tools for editing documents are Wikis, and those for programming, version control systems.

Wikipedia is an example of a collaborative editing project on a large scale.



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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Anno]
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I don't think that such a disclaimer is going to remove The Shroomery from all responsibility, especially considering the sensitive nature of this information in relation to the law. All it takes is someone to say the wrong fucking thing, even if it is quickly edited out...

I don't think having reviewers before new content is submitted would be difficult to implement or detrimental to the process. There could be reviewers who give everything a general glance to ensure that nothing harmful or illegal is submitted, and those who specialize in specific areas, such as mushroom identification.

I think this simply boils down to predictive management vs. reactive management. :grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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Quote:
I've got a system in place which offers most of the functionality we're looking for.


Dude, your gona get sooooo much pussy.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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sounds like that will suck, not much u can do to help this website.......

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: smoorhS_kcuF]
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Every journey begins with a single step, the first step to improving this site is getting rid of you. :bye:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Ythan]
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This clearly demonstrates the relevance of my point. :wink:

Do you want some fucking moron like that fucking up our content, even if it is something that we could effortlessly fix after the fact? Think of the potential, negative repercussions of such occuring.

I think this is a great way to take the management of the content, and also a great way to give those who are interested in benefiting this website and all it stands for an excellent oppurtunity to participate. To review the content would not require much time or effort, perhaps more for those that specialize in specific information (like knowledge of cultivation or mushroom identity), and would prevent any screw-up with too much time on their hands, like that one, to destroy the content (even if temporarily).

Eh, inn' it? :grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
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We definitely want to go the no forced review route.
If we should experience too much vandalism, we can always restrict the editing to long(er)-time members, or even allow editing only upon request.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Anno]
    #5931983 -

its looks great.. and its def a great idea.. (for whatever my 2 sense is worth)... i agree with whoever stated that there should be a mimimum post count.. i would even take it a step further and make a minimum time reged also


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Banez]
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Vandalism is one thing, but I am afraid that some detrimental changes will not go immediately noticed, and that severe, negative effects could result, perhaps someone eating a poisonous mushroom after reading disinformation, or possible legal action.

We've already suffered at the hands of those who have hacked this website (regardless of the conspiracy theory that might be apt regarding that, ka-ching :shocked:). I don't see it is a forced review, simply that someone is going to be assuring that nothing will be fucked up before it is fucked up.

I mean, either way, whatever, I am simply making a suggestion. Why react to people fucking shit up when we could prevent it beforehand? :confused:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
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Because a wiki is a self regulating mechanism. The authors control each other, there should be no need for a review before the content is put on the website.
In this forum there is no review before the content is put online either, or is it? And as far for the disclaimer, if it works for Wikipedia, and Erowid, why shouldn't the disclaimer work for the Shroomery also?


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Anno]
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Hey, like I said, I was simply making a suggestion. If idealism will grant some loser like the one spreading negativity above the opportunity to vandalize the website and its content, then that is idealism for you. I'd have to imagine that Wikipedia does not deal with the same sort of sensitive information that the Shroomery does, and also that such a disclaimer would not be effective if legal action did result. I can post a sign on my property that proclaims that I cannot be held responsible for accidents, but that does not mean that my disclaimer is legally valid.

I can't wait to see some asshole make an article on selling mushrooms that one has grown to school children. Sure, some other author could catch it and delete it, and we could restore the content back before that point, but why react to problems when you can prevent them?

Hey, idealism for idealism's sake is awesome. :smirk:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5936222 -

personally i just dont like the idea of anyone being able to edit information that is posted.. or being able to post misinformation.. i mean personally thats why i NEVER use wiki.. you never know the quality of the postings.

i do think its a good idea.. if we could somehow regulate who is allowed to post information.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Banez]
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Well, I don't think we would necessarily need to regulate who is permitted to submit information, just that we simply need a few people with a small amount of extra time to read through and quickly verify that someone isn't damaging the content that already exists, proposing obviously false information, or otherwise vandalizin the site or endangering it.

Just a quick overview, you know? Content-specific reviewers (for example, the amazing contributors to forums like mushroom id and everything that exist as a wealth of knowledge and love to contribute to the understanding of others) could give it a quick glance over after it has been approved, to determine if the stuff is really accurate.

Makes sense to me, but I'm not a wiki-idealist, so I'm sure I'm missing the spirit of the thing. :smirk: Some moron posted an advertisement for selling marijuana buds, seeds, etc in The Pub. There was an active moderator who ensured the thread quickly vanished. With someone to simply glance over submitted content on the website, the stuff would never even become visible at all. The disclaimer might protect us legally from being liable for that kind of thing, but why even rely on a disclaimer that could be ripped to shreds in court by a biased judge or whatever if we simply have some people who would love to help the website out do a few minutes of reading. :grin:

Comparing the forum to the website isn't really valid, either, saying that we dont' have reviewers of the stuff submitted on the forum. Well, considering how many people are using the forum at any given second, it can't work like that, but, to be perfectly honest, I don't see a huge amount of people lining up to submit and edit a ton of content at any given moment of the day. :wink:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
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You might want to add little scroll bars.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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I'd like to see the little comments at the end of each article removed. :smirk:

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
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I'm going to go ahead and agree with fireworks_god.

Things like the pf_tek and stuff, why should they be wiki-fied? Who gets the say if someone makes a small change like 1/3 to 2/3 cup of water, when one person believes it works better and the other does not? Who will even notice?

Anno-no offense, but I didn't like the cheapness of your response. Fireworks_god is asking about the chances of someone getting hurt or dying because of a vandalism act; your response makes it sound like the only concern is the site's liability.

That's not even half the issue from my standpoint as a faithful Shroomerite, I'm here partly because I like to stand behind the Shroomery's mission - to help educate, to promote harm reduction/prevention, etc. , and while a wiki-system might seem modern and useful for general information, I'm not convinced it fits so nicely into the highly sensitive nature of the information that can be found here.

An analogy. You're about to go skydiving, and you're folding your own parachute. Do you go to wikipedia.org to follow instructions on how to do it properly (which might be accurate, and useful, and easy), or do you buy a book on it that you absolutely know you can trust?

I'm curious to know how flexible this system is going to be. I think the idea of moderators is a really good one, almost imperative from my point of view. But maybe Ythan or someone else can enlighten me as to why I shouldn't be so concerned?


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: kake]
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Not to mention, I think the Shroomery can be heralded as a great resource for mushroom information, and a very trustworthy one at that.  I'd hate to see its credibility diminish in any way shape or form.  LONG LIVE SHROOMERY :smile:


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: kake]
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kake said:
Things like the pf_tek and stuff, why should they be wiki-fied?


They won't be.
There is no point in making the "historical" teks editable.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: fireworks_god]
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I think you are overestimating the negative energies of our members. We ALREADY have a wiki which has been operating for something like 2 years with hardly any vandalism. Therefore I don't see why this should suddenly change. And IF problems like this really should arise, we can deal with this when they arise and take the proper measures.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Anno]
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Quote:
I don't think that such a disclaimer is going to remove The Shroomery from all responsibility, especially considering the sensitive nature of this information in relation to the law.


Well, it seems good enough for wikipedia for their shroom pages, which are pretty good to not be shroomery community created:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_azurescens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_mushroom

They have more to boot. I see no reason that if they can produce shroom content like that, that we can't do better. We are the shroomery, right?


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Anno]
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Anno said:
I think you are overestimating the negative energies of our members. We ALREADY have a wiki which has been operating for something like 2 years with hardly any vandalism. Therefore I don't see why this should suddenly change. And IF problems like this really should arise, we can deal with this when they arise and take the proper measures.


I'd like to see the statistics on the number of visitors to the current wiki system vs. the rest of the site. I'm sure if the entire site went wiki it would be a different story.

I'm not overestimating the negative energy of the members, it only takes a few.

BTW: When I went to the beta site, it seemed to be the case that the historical teks were in fact edittable, thats why I questioned.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: kake]
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The permission system is still being worked on.


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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: Anno]
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i think this is a terrible idea. when you set something up where it can be edited by a bunch of fools when its pertaining to drugs, its not only irresponsible but dangerous.

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Re: Shroomery Content Management System v2.0 [Re: barto]
    #5988166 -

sounds good

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