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autographguys
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Brown Rice tech?
#5899481 - 07/25/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have been told by a biochemist friend that brown rice (not the flour). Is the best grain to case. I would like to give it a try but I dont know how to prepair the rice. How long to cook etc. I have used wbs and rye but never rice. Any help would be appreicated.
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Yamidude
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what experience does your biochemist friend have in Mycology? Just stick to what is proven and known to work IMO..
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autographguys
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Re: Brown Rice tech? [Re: Yamidude]
#5899568 - 07/25/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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this guy has grown on cased brown rice. with exc. results
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creamcorn
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no offense to your friend but being a biochemist doesn't automatically qualify him as the final word in mycology.
the problem with straight brown rice is the preparation. don't feel bad if you can't come up with a way to prepare it... most people can't! if you search around in posts, you'll see attempts with it, mostly with poor results and complete failures.
moisture content is essential in preparing a substrate or spawn material. whole brown rice holds a lot of moisture, so there's a big range you can use. too moist, and mycelium won't be able to digest it. too dry, same problem.
when we use grains as spawn material, the desirable quality we go for is that they break up easily for lots of "contact points" where mycelium can grow from. we can shake up jars of grain to speed growth, and when spawning into a bulk substrate, break them back into single grains for quick colonization. straight brown rice won't do these things for you so well, its going to be sticky, gooey, and clump together. that also means its harder to penetrate (i.e., the mycelium has a harder time moving "through" the grains of rice), and it means not a very "airy" substrate, and anerobic pockets is prime breeding ground for bacteria and other contaminates. so... its a poor choice for spawn material. should you find a preparation that works, and get it colonized, it may work out if cased alone.
brown rice is good nutritionally, but after many years and many cultivators experimenting many ways, the pf-tek cake method is really the best way to put brown rice to work for you. if you want the best brown rice can provide, take long grain brown rice (preservative free) and grind it to a coarse flour, and use that to prepare a cake. the added vermiculite solves the clumping problems, balances out moisture content, and the rice being ground to a flour like consistency allows for more effective sterilization. crumble the resultant cakes into chunks, and case it... that's what you're looking for right, a brown rice substrate, cased? well there you have it, casing cakes is super simple and how most start out already.
if you just want to case a grain, rye is conventionally the best choice from nutritional and moisture standpoints. bird seed and others make fine spawn material, and can be cased as-is but isn't the best way to go about things... cakes or grain can be spawned to a bulk substrate, which is your highest yielding method, bar none. it gives you the best nutrition in a form most readily digested and useful to mycelium, and holds plenty of moisture for developing fruitbodies.
should you want to ignore all the conventional wisdom from all the combined experience of many many growers, feel free to experiment with straight whole rice. maybe you'll find a method that works for you. i'm predicting you'll find it to be an enormous pain in the ass.
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creamcorn
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Quote:
autographguys said: this guy has grown on cased brown rice. with exc. results
then why not ask him how he prepared it? and share the method with us, because lots of people here have struggled to come up with a reliable way to go about it.
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autographguys
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Re: Brown Rice tech? [Re: creamcorn]
#5900094 - 07/25/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know I have had great results with wbs. I think I will stick to that. He told me he was making some kind of pf cake. I started with them and I am not a fan.
Thanks for the info.
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creamcorn
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Re: Brown Rice tech? [Re: mikeownow]
#5900232 - 07/25/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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hows this

^^^ my crew
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AlphabetSoup
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Re: Brown Rice tech? [Re: creamcorn]
#5900250 - 07/25/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If your looking for casings why stop with grains? as far as i am concerned there are two types of grows... pf cakes and poo/bulk.
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