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ZippoZ
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How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle?
#5894900 - 07/24/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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im looking to produce a large amount of epectricity and sell it back to the power company, and am wondering how much a bicycle hooked up to a generator could produce and what the cost of the equipment would be?
now i know that it wont be alot, but im envisioning tens if not hundreds of people doing this all at once.
anyone have the numbers?
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5895405 - 07/24/06 07:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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You'd be pedaling your ass off just to light a 100 watt light bulb.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: Diploid]
#5895425 - 07/24/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well the real question is how many kwh can i make?
the idea is this, i can sell power back to the power company, and they will pay for it at the going rate.
im hoping to hold a festival out in the middle of nowhere... and considering letting people get discounts and or pay for their tickets through other means. i.e. donation of large quanties of vegetable oil (for bio-diesel) and or allowing them to generate electricity for x hours on the bike to get a ticket discount.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5895569 - 07/24/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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will they really buy it back from you at the same rate?
I dont know how much this festival will cost, but I know i can live for a whole month on $100 towards electricity.
I dont know any specifics, but 100/30 is roughly $3 a day, and I doubt 1 bicycle pedaling non-stop for 24 hours could power my apartment for the same time period.
I think there would be more efficient ways to work off a ticket.
I like the idea of alternative energy, but this seems like too much work for such little gains
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: tak]
#5895643 - 07/24/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah, afterlooking at the Kwh yeilds and the cost of equipment its really not feasable..
the other idea i had is having a biodiesel comnapy run it, and affer them a free ticket ~$40 for 40 some gallonsn of used vegetable oil... but that shit is heavy and bulky and a bitch to transport....
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5895702 - 07/24/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get some 55-gallon drums and a friend who has a big truck.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: Konnrade]
#5895773 - 07/24/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well the idea is to have several hundred people all bring 20+ gallons each in turn for $20 off of their entrance fee.
saving said company the troubble of collecting it
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5897067 - 07/25/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I remember being in some science museum and pedaling one of those bikes that are hooked up to the light bulb. I had to pedal my ass off just to get a normal light bulb to light up. You might be able to make $1 a day or so....but you'd burn about $20 worth of calories.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5897488 - 07/25/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not very much, I'm afraid.
You would have to pedal your ass off to just barely power a medium-sized television (just over 100 watts).
kWh? You'd probably only produce 0.1-0.2 kW on a bike...and you won't be able to keep that pace up very long. If you kept it up for an hour, you'd have a whole 0.15kWh
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: trendal]
#5897534 - 07/25/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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One of the Tour de France commentators said that the racers average about 350W of output over the course of the race. Assuming you're as fit as they are and a conversion efficiency of about 50%, you could optimistically store 0.2kWh every hour. Personally, I doubt I could do 0.1kWh.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5898035 - 07/25/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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On having people bring fuel for the generators Zip, do you really want to trust that people filtered/processed their biodesiel right? I thought using improper stuff could blow those things out? Or are they pretty forgiving?
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ChuangTzu]
#5898940 - 07/25/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Electricity in an expensive part of the US runs less than 20 cents per kWh, so yeah, assuming a Tour de France biker could go 24x7, he would produce less than $1 a day in electricity.
Your average out-of-shape stoner would spend more on bike chain grease than he'd make back selling power to the utility company.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: Madtowntripper]
#5899004 - 07/25/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: On having people bring fuel for the generators Zip, do you really want to trust that people filtered/processed their biodesiel right? I thought using improper stuff could blow those things out? Or are they pretty forgiving?
thats the beauty, im going to have them bring me just plain old oil/grease.
that way i can make the bio-d myself. and sell it down the line...
i will have to have a small to medium scale processing plant though..
luckily i know where i can get 2 large ass reactors.... they might be 2000 gallons a piece ! probably more like 1000 though.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5899015 - 07/25/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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how much for a pc and flat screen monitor?
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ZippoZ]
#5899116 - 07/25/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can't get your fuel up to ASTM standards, it's pretty much worthless (to biodiesel companies). To make sure it's up to those standards you have to send samples out to a lab which is very expensive. You might be better off just selling the oil itself to the companies.
I gave a few shots at bio-diesel production but I put that on hold a bit since I have more pressing stuff on my car to work on. I was never happy enough with my product to put it in my car. I think I need to titrate my oil even though I'm using clean, new oil at this stage.
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Re: How much electricity can be created from a generator hooked up to a bicycle? [Re: ChuangTzu]
#5899198 - 07/25/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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well for starters im going to be providing it to farmeers for use in off road vehicles, tractors and so on.
so i dont think that it will have to be up to those astm standards.
also i may just be using it to run a large series of diesel genenerators hooked up to the grid, getting paid for the electricity.
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zippoz "in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption" "People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."
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