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For your information, here's what happened. Phred started a thread claiming I had said something I didn't say. He then tried to be clever by misrepresenting my position and then closing the thread before I had a chance to reply. As a consequence I had to start another thread to make it clear I didn't say what Phred claimed I had said.
Standard Alex213 bullshit.
Here's the real story, with links to all pertinent posts so those interested in reality rather than fantasy can check the actual source material rather than just take my word for it --
I created a thread in the Politics, Activism, and Law forum to welcome Redstorm to the forum as its newest moderator. The thread can be found here -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5819190/an/0/page/1
From that point till Alex213's first post in the thread -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5826516#Post5826516 -- the thread had been on topic. Congratulations, greetings, some ribbing and goofy comments from some of the non PA&L regulars. For those not inclined to click on the link to Alex213's first post, here it is:
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Alex213 -- While Redstorm seems more "balanced" than Phred surely the mods should reflect the membership of the board a little better. Three right-wing mods on a politics board seems a little out of kilter.
And that is where the thread stopped being a "welcome Redstorm" thread and turned into complaints about my moderation of the forum -- Phred is less "balanced" in his political views than Redstorm appears to be and the idea of having three "right-wing" moderators in PA&L doesn't sit well with Alex213.
An administrator (Seuss) responds to Alex213's points here -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5826663#Post5826663 --
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Seuss -- As long as the moderators moderate fairly, I don't see a problem with their political standing. If any of the moderators start to enforce their personal views upon the debates, then we will replace said moderator. This has seldom been an issue in the past (in any forum), and I don't see any problem in the future with our current group of mods.
The next few posts run as follows --
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Alex213 -- Perhaps.
However I can't see anything wrong with having a mod on the left for balance and to prevent any "unconscious" favouritism. I've certainly seen examples of "leftist" posters recieving public warnings for behaviour "rightist" posters wouldn't recieve public warnings for because of their friendship with a mod.
Hell, why not have 3 leftist mods for a change if it doesn't matter that much?
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Seuss -- We tried to get any of the current "lefty" mods to take up some of the slack in this forum, but nobody had time. Phred made a very good post, in the mod forum, that indicated his desire for a lefty mod in PA&L to balance things out. However, when we choose a new moderator, we choose for the site, not just a single forum. As such, the political standing of a new moderator isn't taken into account.
Of the names produced and discussed as potential moderators, we felt that Redstorm would be the best for the site as a whole and would also fit in with the PA&L crowd as well. There could just as easily be three lefty mods in here as three righty mods. Rather than prejudge Redstorm based upon his political standing, I will wait and see how he performs as a moderator. From what I have seen so far, we made a good decision in placing our trust in him.
bi0 contributes his opinion --
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bi0 -- I think Redstorm is a quality choice. Redstorm will be more impartial and fair than Phred will ever be in situations such as like Alex pointed out. I think the solution to that problem is not a politically-balanced moderation, but a moderation that is fair. I think Redstorm can fill this role. Baby_Hitler is fine albeit not so active in this forum. Phred isnt a good mod in this sense.
Back to Alex213:
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Alex213 -- I wouldn't prejudge Redstorm as I think he's a fair guy, but I still think 3 right-wing mods at a political forum is questionable.
But as Bio points out, with any luck Redstorm will be a different league to Phred as far as fairness goes.
At this point, I rejoin the thread to ask for clarification from bi0--
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Phred -- If I'm understanding you and Alex213 correctly, your claim is not that I enforce the rules against "Lefties" too strictly, but that I don't enforce the rules against "Righties" strictly enough?
Alex213's reply is to ask me --
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Alex213 -- Where did I say this?
At this point I decide to open a different thread to show Alex213 where he said this rather than allow the welcome thread to become further derailed. The second thread starts here -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5827280#Post5827280 with my opening post:
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The sole purpose of this thread is to answer Alex213's question posed here -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5827181#Post5827181 -- rather than to derail the "Welcome Redstorm thread any further.
Phred: If I'm understanding you and Alex213 correctly, your claim is not that I enforce the rules against "Lefties" too strictly, but that I don't enforce the rules against "Righties" strictly enough?
Alex213: Where did I say this?
You said it here, Alex213 -- http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5826734#Post5826734 --
Alex213 -- However I can't see anything wrong with having a mod on the left for balance and to prevent any "unconscious" favouritism. I've certainly seen examples of "leftist" posters recieving public warnings for behaviour "rightist" posters wouldn't recieve public warnings for because of their friendship with a mod.
Alex213's response --
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No I didn't Phred. I said:
"However I can't see anything wrong with having a mod on the left for balance and to prevent any "unconscious" favouritism. I've certainly seen examples of "leftist" posters recieving public warnings for behaviour "rightist" posters wouldn't recieve public warnings for because of their friendship with a mod."
It was YOU who said:
"If I'm understanding you and Alex213 correctly, your claim is not that I enforce the rules against "Lefties" too strictly, but that I don't enforce the rules against "Righties" strictly enough? "
These statements are not the same.
If you wish to discuss your modship take it to another forum. It has nothing whatsoever to do with politics, activism or law.
I'm sure I'm not alone in noting the irony of the one who introduced the topic of my modship into the discussion now complaining that my modship is being discussed. Let's leave that aside for now, though, and move ahead. The final post in the thread is mine --
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I realize that [these statements are not the same], Alex213. That is precisely why I asked for clarification. Your charge that the forum rules are applied unevenly out of friendship and/or political orientation didn't specify a moderator by name, so it is possible you were speaking of actions performed by Baby_Hitler ...or even by Cervantes or Rono or Trendal or Evolving or Jammer or Lana.
bi0's statement shows he had assumed you were including me in your observation. Knowing the high regard in which you hold me, I wasn't so sure, which is why I asked for clarification.
I'm glad to hear his assumption was incorrect.
Alex213: "If you wish to discuss your modship take it to another forum."
Since your statement has been clarified, and since you don't think my modship should be discussed in this forum, I'll lock the thread.
But Alex213 apparently didn't mind continuing the discussion in the PA&L forum -- as long as he was the one who got the last word. He starts a new thread in the PA&L forum and labels my bowing to his wishes for me to stop discussing my modship (which he brought up in the first place) as an "abuse of my modship" and charges that my cutting and pasting of his own words somehow constitutes a childish misrepresentation of his position. Seuss gets fed up and transfers the thread to this forum. And here we are.
I leave it to the readers of this thread to decide whether my request for clarification to bi0 (also mentioning Alex213) was out of line or not, in the context of Alex213's previous statements (in order)
post#5826516 -- While Redstorm seems more "balanced" than Phred surely the mods should reflect the membership of the board a little better. Three right-wing mods on a politics board seems a little out of kilter.
post#5826734 -- However I can't see anything wrong with having a mod on the left for balance and to prevent any "unconscious" favouritism. I've certainly seen examples of "leftist" posters recieving public warnings for behaviour "rightist" posters wouldn't recieve public warnings for because of their friendship with a mod.
post#5827106 -- But as Bio points out, with any luck Redstorm will be a different league to Phred as far as fairness goes.
And I also leave it to the readers of this thread to decide for themselves whether these three statements by Alex213 can be reasonably interpreted as criticism of Phred's actions as moderator or if they read as just general criticism of PA&L moderators past and present.
Finally, I leave it to the readers of this thread to decide for themselves if my decision to lock a thread I myself had started for the sole purpose of illustrating to Alex213 why I had asked that question of bi0 in the first place constitutes an "abuse of modship", bearing in mind it was Alex213 himself who objected to my creating the thread since it had "nothing whatsoever to do with politics, activism or law."
Phred
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