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Gumby
Fishnologist

Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 26,656

Re: 2 Different Shrooms. Pics. Maybe cubes

[Re: shroomydan]
#5696882 - 05/31/06 09:37 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Uh oh. I smell a heated discussion a-brewin'.

As far as Panaeolus retirugis is concerned, was that not considered to be = to Panaeolus antillarum, or am I thinking Panaeolus ssolidipes? Is there a complex there that we need to know about? Maybe MJ has the answers.

All "moderator agreeing with moderator" aside, I believe shroomydan is correct in pronouncing these Panaeolus species as inactive. There has been a LOT of misidentifications when it comes to testing Panaeolus for presence of Psilocybin. To my knowledge the active only species are:
P. subbalteatus
P. tropicalis
P. castaneifolius
P. cyanencens

All others (to my knowledge) have been found inactive since MJ's inital publishing of this: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info12.shtml

If I HAD to give a species for the pictures provided, it would place these mushrooms in the Panaeolus campanulatus complex. The whole genus is in desperate need of revision and making a 100% ID on any Panaeolus is next to impossible. There are so many "possible" species that any Panaeolus might be, that trying to identify them to an exact species(at this time) is futile.

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Lysergic_Milkman
Dr. Fist

Registered: 10/21/04
Posts: 1,676
Loc: ATL
Last seen: 9 years, 8 months

Re: 2 Different Shrooms. Pics. Maybe cubes

[Re: Gumby]
#5697648 - 06/01/06 12:19 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

C'mon Dan, don't give the guy such a hard time. Like Gumby said, Panaeolus is a genus riddled with holes and plagued with complexes. Unless this discussion is concerning identification of a specific species for research/reference purposes, then which species of inactive Panaeolus it is is irrelevant.

Shroomindole, I understand that you have good intent, and the person whom you were trying to help understood your message, so no harm done.
but, in the future, next time you give an ID on a mushroom like the one(s) in this thread (Panaeolus especially, as it is notorious for it's uncountable number of nearly identical species), just give an ID to genus. eliminating genre from the list of potentials can help a person greatly. Only give an ID to species if you are absolutely sure, and I don't mean to pick on you specifically, ShroominDole, that just really needed to be said.
Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings and all that... :frown:

(*why don't you cry about it*)

Edited by Lysergic_Milkman (06/01/06 12:22 AM)