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Freedom of the Press for Muslims?
    #5591949 - 05/04/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

So are they in the stone age?


Islamic Bloc: We Respect Press Freedom But …
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
May 03, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - A bloc representing the world's Islamic nations is marking World Press Freedom Day Wednesday by calling for urgent action to establish international law or a code of conduct aimed at preventing media from defaming religion.

The Saudi-based secretariat of the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) said in a statement it was committed to press freedom, but that journalists should be deterred "from premeditatedly vilifying, defaming and violating the rights of others."

Citing the controversy earlier this year over the printing of cartoons depicting Mohammed, the OIC said the publication of the sketches and its ramifications provided "absolute evidence of the consequences of non-abidance with these regulations."

It said the caricatures had insulted "a faith embraced and revered by over one-fifth of the world population, and a religion that advocates peace, tolerance and moral virtues."

Muslims around the world protested against the cartoons, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper six months ago and were later reproduced in numerous, mostly European media outlets. In some countries, protests turned violent, and people were killed in Nigeria, Libya and Afghanistan.

Authorities in some Islamic countries shut down newspapers and arrested journalists following the publication of some of the cartoons.

In Yemen, the editor of the Yemen Observer will mark World Press Freedom Day Wednesday by appearing in court, where prosecutors earlier called for the death sentence for insulting Islam.

Muhammad al-Asadi was arrested last February after his English-language weekly published the cartoons -- in thumbnail size and obscured with a thick, black cross -- to illustrate its news reports on the controversy.

Editors of two Arabic-language papers in Yemen are also on trial, and are due to appear in court later in May. Print editions of all three papers have been frozen for the past three months, although the government this week agreed to allow printing to resume.

Arrests or publication shutdowns resulting from the cartoons were also reported in Malaysia, Indonesia, Syria, India, Algeria, Morocco and Jordan, according to the media freedom lobby group, Reporters Without Borders.

In London this week, the OIC is hosting what it says is the first ever major international conference aimed at countering "Islamophobia," bringing together politicians, diplomats, scholars, media representatives and others from Western and Islamic countries.

Opening the event on Tuesday, OIC secretary-general Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu said Muslims and their religion had been increasingly stereotyped, defamed, marginalized, discriminated against and targeted for "hate crimes" in the West since 9/11 and subsequent terrorist attacks in Madrid and London.

"In addition to the perceived biased Middle East policies of the U.S. and European countries, the rising trend of Islamophobia is giving a boost to the anti-Western sentiments in the Islamic world."

Ihsanoglu said the "terrifying stereotyping we suffer from in the first decade of the 21st century ... is a phenomenon that reminds us of the horrible experiences of the anti-Semitism of the 1930s."

It was unfortunate that in some circles in the West, Islam was considered a "dangerous ideology," he said.

"Misinterpretations of the events perpetrated by extremists in the Muslim world who in turn took 'Islam' as a cover, provided ammunition to the supporters of this fragile and misleading theory."

Of the Mohammed cartoons, Ihsanoglu said the OIC had been trying to explain that "nobody is actually challenging the freedom of expression and press and that the real issue is disrespect" for religious symbols and values.

He said the OIC had expected backing for its stance from European governments, but "to our dismay" those governments had instead supported Denmark.


Also addressing the London conference, British foreign office minister Kim Howells said Muslims, and some non-Muslims, had been "rightly offended" by the publication of the cartoons.

But he also criticized some Islamic media for their handling of the issue, saying "the existence of anti-Western and anti-Jewish media and material in the Muslim world, some of it in state owned press, undermined as hypocritical the moral indignation that was expressed."

Howells said it was right that the issue of Islamophobia was addressed, but Islamic governments and organizations should also address problems that give Islam a negative image.

He cited support for Taliban-type legal and social systems, "recent statements coming out of Tehran," practices that segregate and subjugate women, and conspiracy theories about 9/11 being a CIA plot and polio vaccines being contaminated with viruses.

"And reports of raped women being punished and stoned, restrictions on other religions, including death sentences pronounced on Christian converts, poor human rights records and authoritarian, undemocratic environments all have a negative impact which we cannot ignore."

Howells also challenged views in the Islamic world that he said were wrong, such as the perception that "our foreign policy is deliberately anti-Muslim."

"The reasons for action in Afghanistan and Iraq had nothing to do with the faith of Islam but with the political and security issues that these countries posed."

He said the Islamic world had the right to criticize policies pursued by Britain, the U.S. or the European Union, "but continuing to blame the West for all the ills of the Muslim world is an act of self-denial."


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5591956 - 05/04/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see Muslims say hardly anything when somebody has their head cut off by militants...but they run out into the streets in a fury when some cartoonist draws a picture.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5593029 - 05/05/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I saw a great editorial cartoon when the whole cartoon of the prophet thing was going on. It had a muslim guy putting up a poster showing the twin towers getting hit by the jets and some kind of celebrate caption at the bottom of the poster. The muslim guy in the foreground was reading a paper and making a comment towards the cartoons and the lack of respect from the western world. I should have saved it.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: Seuss]
    #5593044 - 05/05/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

"I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I see Muslims say hardly anything when somebody has their head cut off by militants...but they run out into the streets in a fury when some cartoonist draws a picture"

Do you go out and take to the streets when there is a hostage at your local Arby's? Of course not. Those people could protest everday all day and it wouldnt stop teh beheadings man.

Now something they CAN affect is freedom of the press, wow, what a coincidence.

I wonder if this situation is at all similar to when you protest teh DEA's misinformation about Pot for example? The Government has freedom of the press to lie to us if they want, and I bet you would agree they shouldn't. These guys just dont want their faith dragged through the mud. What is wrong with that?

Its called common human curtesy and respect or have those words lost all meaning these days?


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: Seuss]
    #5593049 - 05/05/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

No wonder why they have such a negative view of the Western World when everytrhing they read, and see is so biased


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5593267 - 05/05/06 08:59 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> These guys just dont want their faith dragged through the mud. What is wrong with that?

The problem is the double standard. These guys will storm the streets in celebration of joy when somebody kills a bunch of Americans, yet they go crazy and demand executions if somebody draws a picture, that in their mind, is mocking their religion.

Remember when Iran was going to show the world how demeaning cartoons were when they had a contest to draw cartoons mocking Jews? Unfortunately for Iran, the rest of the world can tell the difference in significance between a silly cartoon and murder and didn't care. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, the majority of Muslims don't understand the difference and feel that murder is a perfectly acceptable response to being offended by another.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: Seuss]
    #5593469 - 05/05/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This goes with some problems I have, when I hear people say:

"Islam is a peaceful religion"

Well, if it is so peaceful, why is freedom of information and freedom of thought so controlled?


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: blaze2]
    #5594217 - 05/05/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
Do you go out and take to the streets when there is a hostage at your local Arby's? Of course not. Those people could protest everday all day and it wouldnt stop teh beheadings man.

Now something they CAN affect is freedom of the press, wow, what a coincidence.




They can protest all day long about that cartoon and it isn't going to do anything. Do you think that Dutch cartoonist will retract his cartoon? Do you think that the Western world in general will issue heartfelt letters of apology over some independent guy who drew a picture? Hell no.

The Muslims who ran out into the streets after the cartoon knew that they wouldn't change anything by protesting. They did it because they were mad. And it is incredibly scary that they get mad over a picture but they hardly bat an eyelash when civilians are massacred in the name of their religion.


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These guys just dont want their faith dragged through the mud. What is wrong with that?




So it is perfectly acceptable for vicious caricatures of Jews to circulate in the Muslim press? ...But the second somebody draws Muhammed they go nuts? This tactic is a common and hypocritical double standard that is practised by many groups who play the victimization card.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5594707 - 05/05/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I did not excuse their own hippocricy, but that doesnt mean that its allright for ANYONE to bash a persons faith.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: blaze2]
    #5594716 - 05/05/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I did not excuse their own hippocricy, but that doesnt mean that its allright for ANYONE to bash a persons faith.


Sure it is. You dont believe in freedom of speech? I will bash any and every religion I want to, and you have no right to decied what I say or think.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: blaze2]
    #5594720 - 05/05/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

blaze2 said:
I did not excuse their own hippocricy, but that doesnt mean that its allright for ANYONE to bash a persons faith.


By yor capatilized "ANYONE" do you mean that some people have the right to bash a person's faith but others dont? What exctally do you mean by that statment?


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5594753 - 05/05/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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blaze2 said:
I did not excuse their own hippocricy, but that doesnt mean that its allright for ANYONE to bash a persons faith.


Sure it is. You dont believe in freedom of speech? I will bash any and every religion I want to, and you have no right to decied what I say or think.



Exactly!!!

I personally believe that Christians, Jews, Muslims and most others of religious faith are for the most part completely full of shit. I have the right to think that and I have the right to say that.

I saw most of those Muhammad pics and a lot of them were in no way offensive what-so-ever. Just the fact that Muhammad was depicted at all is enough to send Muslims off the deep end. That's ridiculous and I'll never bow to their wishes. Islam sucks as does most every other religion and they all need to be ridiculed occasionally to inspire people to realize this.


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5594788 - 05/05/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone know if any of the Arabic governments filter the internet similar to the Chinese?


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: blaze2]
    #5595558 - 05/05/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody who believes in a supernatural best friend is an idiot. Is that bashing enough for you? Just in case you didn't understand, by supernatural best friend I mean what any and all of you might consider to be god. My denunciation also extends to anything anyone might consider to be a "soul" or a "spirit".

You wanna take away my right to say that?


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5595568 - 05/05/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I dont personally, just dont move to Jordon and decry that in public, bro.


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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5595577 - 05/05/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

That was for blazey, who, unfortunately, has bought himself a short hiatus. And I am quite fully aware that I couldn't say that in most of the world. And by most, I'm guessing that it's 80%. And if you all think I only say that anonymously on an internet chat room you are very mistaken


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5595585 - 05/05/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)


So are they in the stone age?


pretty much


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: wilshire]
    #5596040 - 05/05/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

zappaisgod stated: And if you all think I only say that anonymously on an internet chat room you are very mistaken



No man, never thought that.......

I really love the 1st amendment for that reason.....No human being should have any restraints on his expression.....


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5599025 - 05/06/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You are correct my friends you do indeed have the right to say and think what you will. I merely said you do not have the right to bash a PERSONS faith, when they have done nothing other than say the words, I believe in God. Did I offend you with that statement? Why not just say I dont believe in God, I believe in this, or I believe in that, but no you heart turns first to venomous thoughts, to denounceing the other mans beliefs to justify your own. My thoughts dont need to justified why is it that yours do?

Just to be clear I am talking to no one in particular, and also I believe some of you may be blurring the lines between faith in God, and Following the Church I assure you that there is very real difference. IN the one a man humbles himself only to God, in the other you submit to the will of other men. Peace

blaze2


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Re: Freedom of the Press for Muslims? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5599032 - 05/06/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Quote:

blaze2 said:
I did not excuse their own hippocricy, but that doesnt mean that its allright for ANYONE to bash a persons faith.


By yor capatilized "ANYONE" do you mean that some people have the right to bash a person's faith but others dont? What exctally do you mean by that statment?




By anyone I meant anyone, as in any person you can concieve of.


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