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Time to move the Jihad... again
    #2340808 - 02/16/04 01:31 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

From: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/dw20040216.shtml


"By God, this is suffocation!"

That's the quotation of the week -- if not the new year. This exclamation, first reported in The New York Times, expresses the raw frustration of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian-born terror-master believed to be operating in Iraq and long thought to have been a Saddam Hussein-harbored link to Al Qaeda. His frustration is the result of American success in Iraq.

In a document intercepted last month by U.S. officials, the man believed to be Zarqawi bemoans U.S. resolve -- America "has no intention of leaving, no matter how many wounded nor how bloody it becomes" -- and U.S. progress in building an Iraqi security force. "The problem is," he writes, "you end up having an army and police connected by lineage, blood and appearance. When the Americans withdraw ... they get replaced by these agents who are intimately linked to the people of this region." His conclusion? "The Americans will continue to control from their bases, but the sons of the land will be the authority. This is the democracy. We will have no pretexts."

No "pretexts" for violence and anarchy, that is. Which, to the average terrorist with a totalitarian dream, is a cataclysm. Zarqawi goes on to ask Al Qaeda leaders for immediate aid in fomenting war between Iraq's Shiites and Sunnis -- which probably bodes a terrible intensification of terror-bombings in Iraq -- before Americans transfer sovereignty to Iraqis in June. As the Times reports, "With some exasperation, the author writes: 'We can pack and leave and look for another land, just like what happened in so many lands of jihad. Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence increases.'"

... for more, see the link.

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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: Phred]
    #2341050 - 02/16/04 02:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

and be sure to read the ad immedately following the article first...  :lol:


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2342025 - 02/16/04 05:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

And you wonder why mushmaster points out your habit of ignoring content?

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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: Phred]
    #2344480 - 02/17/04 05:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

You are no doubt aware Pinky that this whole story could easily be pure propaganda?


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: GazzBut]
    #2344508 - 02/17/04 05:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

GazzBut writes:

You are no doubt aware Pinky that this whole story could easily be pure propaganda?

Anything one reads in the media could be pure propaganda. Interesting how you make that charge only against things which upset your worldview. If it's a dodgy report which seems to indicate the Iraqis hate the US, you believe it. If it's one which seems to indicate the Iraqis are grateful, it's "propaganda".

As it happens, this report is consistent with reports of the sentiments of other "Jihadists". Despite what some here seem to have convinced themselves of, Jihadists are not so much interested in correcting specific "wrongs" as they are in fighting the Jihad as an end in itself. That's what they do. If there's too much heat in one spot, they move to another.

To a Jihadist there are plenty of targets in the world, and there will always be plenty until the entire world is united under Islam.

Of course at that point they will convince themselves that some parts of the world are not truly muslim (i.e. Sunnis vs Shi'ites vs Wahabbists etc.) so the Jihad will continue against the "apostates" or "heretics" or however such dissenters may be classified by the Jihadists.

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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: Phred]
    #2344518 - 02/17/04 05:58 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Anything one reads in the media could be pure propaganda. Interesting how you make that charge only against things which upset your worldview. If it's a dodgy report which seems to indicate the Iraqis hate the US, you believe it. If it's one which seems to indicate the Iraqis are grateful, it's "propaganda".



An astute observation. Must be something in the water over there.


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: Phred]
    #2344639 - 02/17/04 08:13 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Interesting how you make that charge only against things which upset your worldview. If it's a dodgy report which seems to indicate the Iraqis hate the US, you believe it.




Interesting how you make assumptions which support your view.

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As it happens, this report is consistent with reports of the sentiments of other "Jihadists".




Source please?

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Jihadists are not so much interested in correcting specific "wrongs" as they are in fighting the Jihad as an end in itself.




This is incorrect. The interpretation of Jihad promoted by extremists such as Bin Laden etc is just that, an interpretation. The origins of this interpretation date back to the middle ages. Jihad operates on many levels and can have many goals. I presume you would deny there is any causal link between western policies concerning the middle east and the number of muslims who chose to use the more extreme interpretation of Jihad?


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2344641 - 02/17/04 08:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

lol! what a fawning ass kisser you are.


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: GazzBut]
    #2345150 - 02/17/04 12:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You are no doubt aware Pinky that this whole story could easily be pure propaganda?

Think you're onto something there Gazz...

US says Iraqis, not foreign fighters, are behind attacks
By Justin Huggler in Baghdad
17 February 2004


A raid on an Iraqi police station and army base last week, in which at least 25 people died, appears to have been carried out by Iraqi guerrillas and not foreign militants, as previously reported, US occupation forces said yesterday. The admission is an indication of how powerful the Iraqi resistance has become: it can now take on American-trained Iraqi security forces head on and defeat them. The raid, in which insurgents stormed the police station, while simultaneously keeping Iraqi soldiers in a nearby base pinned down, was the most sophisticated attack yet, and has left the US occupation badly shaken.

Brigadier-General Mark Kimmitt, the US army's deputy chief of operations in Iraq, said it appeared that the insurgents killed or captured in the attack were all Iraqi citizens, but he added that this was not a final conclusion. A number of Iraqis are now being questioned in connection with the attacks.

The finding overshadowed recent efforts by the US to pin the blame for a series of suicide bombings and other attacks on foreign Islamic militants linked to al-Qa'ida. Last week the US released what it said was a letter from a leading militant in Iraq to al-Qa'ida leaders, asking for help in provoking a civil war between Sunni and Shia Muslims in Iraq. If yesterday's report is true, the US has enough to worry about from Iraq's home-grown resistance.

The military's conclusion could also embarrass Paul Bremer, the American occupation administrator, who claimed on Sunday that foreign militants had been involved in the attacks

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=492134


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: GazzBut]
    #2345153 - 02/17/04 12:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

lol! what a fawning ass kisser you are.

ROTFLMAO!!

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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: Phred]
    #2345625 - 02/17/04 02:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)



Interview With the Terrorists
By VIVIENNE WALT
Monday, Feb. 16, 2004

The prisoner in cell 12 in Sulimaniyah's security jail lives in a four-by-six foot square, with no windows and a fluorescent light that is never switched off. But despite the tiny space, he harbors grand visions of a holy war against American occupiers.

"Fighting a jihad against the Americans and their allies is something obligatory in our religion," says Wushyar Salah Hama Aref, 26. Until he was arrested last October by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Aref was a top commander in Ansar al-Islam, the Kurdish terror organization. "We know that the Americans have the technology and the power," he said last Saturday, when TIME was allowed into the Kurdish-run jail to see imprisoned Ansar leaders. "But our belief is stronger."

Tiny cells lining a long, dimly-lit corridor contain people who until recently were considered some of Iraq's most dangerous insurgents. Their inspiration, they say, comes directly from al-Qaeda. So too did some of their instructions, until the American invasion of Iraq smashed Ansar's base in northern Iraq, and sent its members fleeing into Iran....

...More at the link.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,591420,00.html?cnn=yes

Note that once again (as I point out in the thread "How to handle terrorists?") we see it is best to make no alliances. Not only is it bad news to be an ally of Israel, it is bad news to be an ally of an ally of Israel. It is obligatory that the Jihadists attack such allies.


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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: GazzBut]
    #2345661 - 02/17/04 02:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

GazzBut writes:

This is incorrect. The interpretation of Jihad promoted by extremists such as Bin Laden etc is just that, an interpretation. The origins of this interpretation date back to the middle ages.

So this interpretation has only been around for eight or nine centuries? Certainly not long enough to gain any credence, then.

Jihad operates on many levels and can have many goals.

Sure it does.  :rolleyes:

The goal of Jihad is to spread Islam and to struggle against those who are not muslim. If there are goals other than that, let's see a link to a reputable source which lists them.

I presume you would deny there is any causal link between western policies concerning the middle east and the number of muslims who chose to use the more extreme interpretation of Jihad?

Well, let's see...

...those who choose to use the more extreme interpretation of Jihad have so far threatened Canada, Germany, Japan and several other Western nations. What is so objectionable to Canada's policies towards the Middle East? Or Japan's?

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Re: Time to move the Jihad... again [Re: GazzBut]
    #2346193 - 02/17/04 04:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
lol! what a fawning ass kisser you are.



So agreeing with someone makes you an ass kisser?

Were that the case your nose would be forever stained.


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