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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: supercollider]
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I'm gonna vote as much as possible then.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: TYL3R]
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Vote from the rooftops.


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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AND THE MOUNTAINSIDES !

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
It was easier to steal because he was running against someone who had no personality or identity.


Its not him that is in the wrong its his advisors and all the people behind him.

Its a lot like royalty, he was chosen long long long ago. He is just a mask of a larger entity.

He has done wrong but it isnt just him, lets not forget this.

"It's a crime. No kidding. But the media has it all wrong. As usual.
>
> 'Scooter' Libby finally outed 'Mr. Big,' the perpetrator of the
> heinous disclosure of the name of secret agent Valerie Plame. It was
> the President of United States himself - in conspiracy with his
> Vice-President. Now the pundits are arguing over whether our
> war-a-holic President had the legal right to leak this national
> security information. But, that's a fake debate meant to distract you.
>
> OK, let's accept the White House alibi that releasing Plame's
> identity was no crime. But if that's true, they've committed a bigger
> crime: Bush and Cheney knowingly withheld vital information from a
> grand jury investigation, a multimillion dollar inquiry the perps
> themselves authorized. That's akin to calling in a false fire alarm or
> calling the cops for a burglary that never happened - but far, far
> worse. Let's not forget that in the hunt for the perpetrator of this
> non-crime, reporter Judith Miller went to jail.
>
> Think about that. While Miller sat in a prison cell, Bush and
> Cheney were laughing their sick heads off, knowing the grand jury
> testimony, the special prosecutor's subpoenas and the FBI's terrorizing
> newsrooms were nothing but fake props in Bush's elaborate charade,
> Cheney's Big Con.
>
> On February 10, 2004, our not-so-dumb-as-he-sounds President
> stated, "Listen, I know of nobody - I don't know of anybody in my
> administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak
> classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the
> appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing. ...And if
> people have got solid information, please come forward with it."
>
> Notice Bush's cleverly crafted words. He says he can't name anyone
> who leaked this "classified" info - knowing full well he'd
> de-classified it. Far from letting Bush off the hook, it worsens the
> crime. For years, I worked as a government investigator and, let me
> tell you, Bush and Cheney withholding material information from the
> grand jury is a felony. Several felonies, actually: abuse of legal
> process, fraud, racketeering and, that old standby, obstruction of
> justice.
>
> If you or I had manipulated the legal system this way, we'd be
> breaking rocks on a chain gang. We wouldn't even get a trial - most
> judges would consider this a "fraud upon the court" and send us to the
> slammer in minutes using the bench's power to administer instant
> punishment for contempt of the judicial system.
>
> Why'd they do it? The White House junta did the deed for the most
> evil of motives: to hoodwink the public during the 2004 election
> campaign, to pretend that evil anti-Bush elements were undermining the
> Republic, when it was the Bush element itself at the center of the
> conspiracy. (Notably, elections trickery also motivated Richard Nixon's
> "plumbers" to break into the Watergate, then the Democratic Party
> campaign headquarters.)
>
> Let me draft the indictment for you as I would have were I still a
> government gumshoe:
>
> "Perpetrator Lewis Libby (alias, 'Scooter') contacted Miller; while
> John Doe 1 contacted perpetrators' shill at the Washington Post, Bob
> Woodward, in furtherance of a scheme directed by George Bush (alias
> 'The POTUS') and Dick Cheney (alias, 'The Veep') to release
> intelligence information fraudulently proffered as 'classified,' and
> thereinafter, knowingly withheld material evidence from a grand jury
> empanelled to investigate said disclosure. Furthermore, perpetrator
> 'The POTUS' made material statements designed to deceive investigators
> and knowingly misrepresent his state of knowledge of the facts."
>
> Statements aimed at misleading grand jury investigators are
> hard-time offenses. It doesn't matter that Bush's too-clever little
> quip was made to the press and not under oath. I've cited press
> releases and comments in the New York Times in court as evidence of
> fraud. By not swearing to his disingenuous statement, Bush gets off the
> perjury hook, but he committed a crime nonetheless, "deliberate
> concealment."
>
> Here's how the law works (and hopefully, it will). The Bush gang's
> use of the telephone in this con game constituted wire fraud.
> Furthermore, while presidents may leak ("declassify") intelligence
> information, they may not obstruct justice; that is, send a grand jury
> on a wild goose chase. Under the 'RICO' statute (named after the Edward
> G. Robinson movie mobster, 'Little Rico'), the combination of these
> crimes makes the Bush executive branch a "racketeering enterprise."
>
> So, book'm, Dan-o. Time to read The POTUS and The Veep their rights.
>
> After setting their bail (following the impeachments and removals,
> of course), a judge will have a more intriguing matter to address. The
> RICO law requires the Feds to seize all "ill-gotten gains" of a
> racketeering enterprise, even before trial. Usually we're talking fast
> cars and diamond bling. But in this case, the conspirators' purloined
> booty includes a stolen election and a fraudulently obtained
> authorization for war. I see no reason why a judge could not impound
> the 82d Airborne as "fruits of the fraud " - lock, stock and gun
> barrels - and bring the boys home.
>
> And if justice is to be done we will will also have to run yellow
> tape across the gates at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - "CRIME SCENE - DO
> NOT ENTER" - and return the White House to its rightful owners, the
> American people, the victims of this gangster government."

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Jesus Christ on a crutch! Way to misrepresent reality or what.


You have to admit, "political lynching" also implies quite a bit. Either way, polls which place too many words into people's mouths tend not to be too well designed.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Yeah, I'm sure a MSNBC poll will lead to his his impeachment. :smirk:

Don't get your hopes up.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
LOL! No wonder the result is what it is. Nice framing of questions!

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Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
86%

No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4.4%

No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
7.4%

I don't know.
1.8%


Jesus Christ on a crutch! Way to misrepresent reality or what.

"Secret spying"? By this I presume they mean his authorizing the NSA to intercept enemy communications. So sorry, but that has been accepted practice in time of war since ... oh... forever.

"Deceptions" leading to war? By this I presume they mean he believed what all the major intelligence agencies in the world, almost all Democrats, and Bill Clinton and even John Kerry -- hell, even Hussein's own generals -- believed: that Hussein had not destroyed all his known stocks of bio and chem weaponry nor his bio and chem weaponry programs. This they call "deception"?

Fucking mainstream media. Someone needs to hit those jackasses with a very large clue bat.




Phred


agreed.

most people who are so zealously anti-bush couldnt even give three good/accurate reasons why.

for fucks sakes, Everyone is blabing how there werent any WMDs. Saddam himself addmitted to having them after the persain gulf war, and his #2 guy in the airforce said that they had WMDs after saddam was captured. Ofcourse this didnt get widespread coverage in the media. surprise surprise.


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Dimmy]
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have you guys heard about that secret organization bush belongs to, skull & bones? thats the only reason hes in the white house, his father was in skull and bones also, so was john kerry. if john kerry we would be ion the same spot as we are now. the world is run by this one secret organization behind the scenes i forget what its called. interesting stuff i saw it on the history channel.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Hamstercut]
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as Anti-Bush as I am i must admit msnbc is somewhat democratic, most of the republicans visit fox news. so those numbers are mostly from anti-bush people like myself.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: daimyo]
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I think it cool that it is 86%... I voted for impeaching him. I think he should be impeached, just for the simple fact that we need someone better running the country.  :smirk: :thumbup:

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Skunk420]
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I think skunk should be president.


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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hey why not? I am 35 now, so I am old enough...but i wouldnt know how to deal with the war that bush started, except to somehow stop it. After that I would decriminalize weed, shrooms and make them a simple ticket of giving out 50% of your stash to me, the president.
Then you would have only half you stash left and no fines, jail time or nothing. Party on!!!

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Skunk420]
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Still leaching off others. When will we ever get an honest politician?


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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shit the courts made over $3000 off of me alone over stupid shit just in the last year alone, I need something back.
Okay just 10% of your stash then, it is better then a ticket, fine or jail or all three.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Skunk420]
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How about get the fucking drug war out of my fucking country and my pocket entirely?


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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I need payback first, then I will stop the drug war...the man has made $$$$$$ off of me over the years for other stupid shit i have done as well.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Skunk420]
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I'll let you keep the rugs out of the white house


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Skunk420]
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This thread proves how easy it is to get side tracked.

it goes from politics to a pipe dream in about ten seconds.

People here got it pretty well, even though the government lies and with holds information.

All i could honestly say about what has happened is that the government and president knowingly withhold vital information from us.

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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: daimyo]
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all i can say is fuck the gop.
they are fucking up education, women's reproductive rights, and they are taking away all of the money from social programs with their "tax relief"
i would say a lot more but i am trying to do math homework and browse the shroomery at the same time.


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Re: 86% Say Impeach Bush [Re: Chairman Meow]
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All I can say is fuck both major parties.

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