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Psilocyan
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Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air?
#5487266 - 04/06/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would appreciate any possible feedback...
First the simple question...I ordered an ounce of Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds from IAmShaman.com; has anyone had experience with these seeds that can give them a thumbs up or thumbs down based on that experience?
I plan on using the cold water 'extraction' method as I hear it severely cuts down on the nausea.
Second...As far as dose is concerned, I've searched and searched this site and erowid, and the posts on the shroomery are all over the place. I hear people saying they've had decent trips on as few as 75-100 seeds, then I'll open another thread and someone says "No no if you aren't taking at least 500-600 you aren't going to get anything but sick."
Does this all depend on the batch of seeds? That's the only reason I can come up with for this glaring discontinuity and variance.
Any help is appreciated, thank you.
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Harmonic_Order
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: Psilocyan]
#5487447 - 04/06/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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MG seeds... what does one say? About 400 seeds should do it. We have taken 400 before. They do poison the body; however, we should add that a stress-free trip does not do any initating. The tribes that used MG seeds, the Maya and the Aztec, did serious warrior lives. They probably considered the poisoning part of passing a rite of passage. We find that the seeds cause a lessening of the reflex to breathe! The breath muscles, or perhaps the breath center of the brain, lose their coordination. More than 400 the first time has a very good chance of making you very sick. But any amount of MG makes you sick. Depending on your life's philosophy, an unpleasant-feeling trip might ruin the experience. However, if you approach the MG as a Warrior, or Gangster, or a Tough Motherfucker, or whatever means Don't Mess With Me to you, you might get the original experience out of it. Personally, we have taken MG a few times, maybe four times. Getting that close to death (or perceiving closeness to death) gave us profound insight into the nature of living, into the nature of time. We recommend a supplement that stimulates the breath reflex: NewChapter Mycomedicinals "Breathe!" capsules keep the diaphragm functioning. Also, MJ probably helps with the nausea while potentiating the LSA. Our experiences terrified us, but also had the quality of hypnotic beauty. No illusions, just cold, hard facts and visual representations of forbidden knowledge. We endorse Morning Glory seeds and stress the need for cautious respect.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: Psilocyan]
#5487553 - 04/06/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The guy above me has quite a valid (valid-seeming-to-me) description.
I have ordered from IAmShaman several times. I have found the water extraction does not lessen the nausea, it simply lessens the potency or the positive and negative effects.
Over the counter anti-nauseants will help the nausea a ton, especially when taken a ? hour before hand. There is a definite feeling of appropriacy for the physical load however. I find LSA makes possible very interesting methods of mental detachment from, and analysis of pain. I find this sort of use of mental strength is extremely conducive to the most profound effects of the drug- feelings of euphoria, enlightenment, perspective.
Kaleidescope-like closed eye visuals have been common and often crystal clear for me. Open eye visuals have been occasional, but easily noticeable. The trips I've taken have always given me 'psychological feelings' lasting into days ahead, which I suppose could be considered like a hangover.
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5487580 - 04/06/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I took about 400 seeds one time and it was one of the worst trips ever. In fact, I didn't even trip and neither did my friend (who took slightly less). We just got sick. She was sick for about a day. And I couldn't even move for about three days. I've been thinking about giving them another try, but I'm not sure since I didn't feel anything at all but being sick.
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: goatboy7]
#5487903 - 04/06/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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eck, try HBWR.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: goatboy7]
#5488013 - 04/06/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh right, I've never counted seeds.
My history:
>2 grams - subtle effects 2.5 grams - threshhold effects, mild sickness 5 grams - obvious effects, strong euphoria, moderate sickness 5 grams + 1 joint + 1 beer - strong effects, open eye visuals, strong sickness 7 grams - strong effects, overpowering euphoria and strong closed eye visuals 8 grams + many joints + OTC anti-nauseants - moderate effects, mild sickness 7 grams + OTC anti-nauseants - strong effects, mild sickness
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5488086 - 04/06/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you get that sick from only 7 grams of morning glories I suggest you find a new drug or change your daily shit-diet and try again.... Alot of people here seem to be of the type that think most all psychedelics taste bad and make you puke. I have tripped very hard on HBWR seeds with no ill effects that got in the way of the experience. I personally think some people should just stick with mushrooms, lsd.
If I didnt get so much out of HBWR I would have never taken them after the first time. When It comes to HBWR and morning glory read up about it elsewhere, because the opinions you find here are quite out of line. Ya they make you sick, If you cant find a way to enjoy this natural hallucinogen then just dont use it, and dont give it a bad name. It will never compare to lsd or mushrooms etc. Its a heavy hallucinogen though. Most people have no idea what they are trying to say when it comes to these LSA seeds........ Sickness only comes to those who focus on it and expect the worst, at the same time as they hope to trip as if they were on some typical hallucinogen.
Lets just say, this drug has been used for a long time and until I came to this site I didnt hear even any one person complain about it so much.
Just try HBWR if MG's hurt you so bad..
Edited by stemmer (04/08/06 12:04 PM)
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Harmonic_Order
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: stemmer]
#5488303 - 04/06/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, and arsenic only harms those who believe it can do so. You know, some people believe in the subjective reality, but it has its limits.
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: Harmonic_Order]
#5488317 - 04/06/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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And some people believe that arsenic is in HBWR to a point where they would even mention it, that doesnt help. What makes you trip hard makes you stronger, it's a good thing......And im sure you believe that strychnine is in lsd also.
Dude you are a great example of why so many people consider this site to be a joke. Saying these seeds contain harmful poisons makes you a pawn. Good luck with that..........
God help you Harmonic_Order .........
Edited by stemmer (04/06/06 11:22 PM)
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: stemmer]
#5488338 - 04/06/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Harmonic_Order just said that HBWR have arsenic in them so they can harm you..........
hmmmmmmm, it just seemed like a good reason to bump this thread.
Sorry, HBWR and morning glories aint going to harm you unless they trip you out beyond what you expected. SOme people just expect all hallucinogens to be given to them on a silver platter like LSD, and thats just short of pissing me off.
Edited by stemmer (04/06/06 11:29 PM)
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Psilocyan
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: stemmer]
#5488363 - 04/06/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stemmer wins as far as the most sound advice. Thanks for all your responses though, I'm glad I can count on this community.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: stemmer]
#5490431 - 04/07/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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stemmer said: If you get that sick from only 7 grams of morning glories I suggest you find a new drug or change your daily shit-diet and try again....
lol... closed minded much? your experience (DOES NOT EQUAL SIGN) someone else's experience.
My girlfriend has tried morning glory several times and has always been unable to prevent herself from throwing up (she has taken as little as 2 grams).
She she is in excellent physical health and has an excellent diet.
Morning Glory isn't YOUR drug... lots of people enjoy it different ways than you, and lots of people have different sensitivities to it than you do.
Don't be so damn judgmental, what are you trying to do anyway, show us how cool you are? You're not, you're just making an ass of yourself.
You don't own morning glory, and you don't know the 'right' technique for using morning glory, or the 'right' way to feel about the drug. Go find people who are interested in YOUR point of view instead of desperately trying to deprive a newcomer of multiple points of view...
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5490819 - 04/07/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kudos ExplosiveMango.
I'm considering a polar/nonpolar extraction of LSA from HBWR....any advice or (non-ambiguous) teks?
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Psilocyan
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: Hypercube]
#5492098 - 04/08/06 07:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Five shrooms for ExplosiveMango.
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#5492388 - 04/08/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ExplosiveMango said:
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stemmer said: If you get that sick from only 7 grams of morning glories I suggest you find a new drug or change your daily shit-diet and try again....
lol... closed minded much? your experience (DOES NOT EQUAL SIGN) someone else's experience.
My girlfriend has tried morning glory several times and has always been unable to prevent herself from throwing up (she has taken as little as 2 grams).
She she is in excellent physical health and has an excellent diet.
Morning Glory isn't YOUR drug... lots of people enjoy it different ways than you, and lots of people have different sensitivities to it than you do.
Don't be so damn judgmental, what are you trying to do anyway, show us how cool you are? You're not, you're just making an ass of yourself.
You don't own morning glory, and you don't know the 'right' technique for using morning glory, or the 'right' way to feel about the drug. Go find people who are interested in YOUR point of view instead of desperately trying to deprive a newcomer of multiple points of view...
What the fuck? Just trying to give some sound advise here big guy. NOTICE the "or" in what I was saying ya doink.
"its not YOUR drug". You have got to be kidding me. Most of what I said had to do with people who think all drugs should be easy to ingest and if they dont like them they even talk shit about them. I was basically talking about diet, and the fact that, if you cant enjoy them then find another drug. Good lord man, I love it when people take what im saying out of context.
Judgmental????????? The irony of what you are saying to me is just too much. I was not directing my statements at anybody in particular. At least some people understood what I was saying, and even referred to what I was saying and called it "sound advise". Sorry you perceived it as being too harsh.
Edited by stemmer (04/08/06 11:03 AM)
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: stemmer]
#5492407 - 04/08/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Morning Glories: Can Someone Clear The Air? [Re: Abrainspot]
#5492419 - 04/08/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That looks to me like a banana riding a parakeet with four legs.
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