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OfflineDestruKtiKon
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Ginseng]
    #2309631 - 02/06/04 06:09 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2309703 - 02/06/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

This is why,

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To be completely anally retentive in this Ipomoea inventory, mention must be made of five alkaloids that are present in truly trace amounts, all of which have no oxygen atoms present whatsoever on that substitution on the ergoline 8-position. These are the 8-methyl isomers agroclavine, setoclavine, festuclavine and cycloclavine, and the methylene analogue lysergene. These structures in effect define absolute obscurity, and most probably do not contribute to the morning glory intoxication state


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as Sasha says, there are some minor tryptamine derivatives which do not contribute to the high at all. He k just mentioned them as n he notes on that page. I too have both Sasha's books.

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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2310021 - 02/06/04 08:20 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Just so everyone knows I have some training in chemistry, Im no chemist, but I have studied up to college level organic chemistry both theory and lab practice. So I do know a few things about chemicals. :smile2:  Also rats are very smart animals.

If LSD was a tryptamine it would be called somthing like Lysergic acid diethyltryptamine, not lysergic acid diethlyamide.

I have not read THiKAL, but I would assume LSD is including in that book cause it is somewhat related to tryptamines in that it is an indol. I have read PHiKAL and I know that Shulgan includes not just phenethylamine but also the closly related hallucingenic amphetimines.


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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: ]
    #2310318 - 02/06/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

MEscaline is an amphetamine chemically.

mj
All those 2 ct drugs can keep you up for 24 hours on tsome of them and they all have mescaline like effects, including MDA which is my favorate folled by 2CB and 2-CT-7. I have tried almost 17 compounds which originated form those recipes.

have a shroomy day.
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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2310488 - 02/07/04 12:25 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

ok, just wanted to know.
Its just it said " Any of a series of compounds containing the tryptamine skeleton, and modified by chemical constituents at appropriate positions in the molecule." so i assumed it was still a tryptamine because it contains this tryptamine skeleton. I don't know, my chemistry knowledge is fairly basic.


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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: Osker246]
    #2311063 - 02/07/04 06:11 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Morning glory seeds can be quite cool...For a first trip , you should try like 250-300 seeds. If you don't mind nausea, you can just make powder with the seeds, soak them in water for like three days , filter the seed mush and drink the brownish liquid. Be careful! seeds sometimes are treated with poisonous stuff, if so , soak them in naphta for a few hours before powdering em.

The taste of the lsa juice itself is not that bad, but each sip makes you gag after you've drank alot of the stuff lol. And you really don't feel well in your stomach after, there is often strong nausea in the first hour of the trip.

If you want a trip that will be better to your stomach, soak the seed powder in some 99% isopropylic alcohol for a few days , shaking from times to times, filter the liquid , evaporate the alcohol, and scrape the yellowish sticky gunk. You can put that in gel caps or just eat it raw...


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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: DestruKtiKon]
    #2313527 - 02/08/04 01:35 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Neither LSA nor LSD has a tryptamine skeleton. Go to errowind and you will see that the basic backbones are very different.


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Re: MORNING GLORY L.S.A. [Re: failwebsite]
    #2313836 - 02/08/04 08:03 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

If you bought them in a seed store, it's likely they are contaminated with pesticides (even if it's not explicitly written). More than 2 years ago I ingested only one bag (20 or so seeds) that were treated with some shit called "Vitavax", and it made me nauseous and totally impotent for several weeks! Some negative effects from the pesticide prolonged to several months and it was absolutely awful. (The warning about the damn pesticide was printed in small letters at the very bottom of the bag). If you see such a warning, my advice is DON'T eat them and don't even touch them! Just toss the unopened bags into trash, and try to obtain pesticide-free seeds from a well-trusted source.

The trip itself was very mild and IMO not worth the effort.

Perhaps I would have better opinion about morning glory had I tried pesticide-free seeds, but as it transpired I'll stay away from them for the rest of my life.


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