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A nice suprise - Shanin flowers
#5450149 - 03/28/06 07:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just noticed that mine Petunia Violacea (Shanin) has just started to flower.
 
I hope I get some seeds from them.
its soon time to experiment with this plant also, I plan on making tea from 20-30 grams dried leaves. There are some mixed reports on this specie, should be intresting to see if mine has any enjoyable effects.
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5450293 - 03/28/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll be interested in your report.
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5451069 - 03/28/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very nice.Those flowers are such a beautiful deep purple.I have some seeds and I was wondering what the best conditions for germination are?
How long has it taken for your plant to flower?
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they germinate fairly easy, I simply put them in pots with potting soil and some vermiculitte with a plastic wrap over to keep it humid and have them under light, Im sure there are better ways tho. The plants are well over 6 months now, they have been grown under artificial light with various photoperiods and I am really unsure what factors that has triggered the flowering, I will try to cultivate them outdoors instead this year for better results
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5451340 - 03/28/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool,thanks for the info.I would imagine that you shouldnt sow the seeds to deep,they are very small.I will try and germinate some indorrs this week.
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Yes, i just sprinkled a thin layer of soil over the seeds, 2-3 mm perhaps
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5454032 - 03/29/06 05:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll be interested in your report.
Heh, there will be no report. These are the right flowers but in the wrong place. These Shanins are in hight altitude and there are a bit different.
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: Tinkal]
#5454061 - 03/29/06 06:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you base this on? referance on this would be highly appriciated. As far as I know there has been reported one uidentified alkaloid from this specie and this is pretty much what we know about it. phytochemical reports are terrible lacking. The relationship between high altitude and the presence of this unidentified alkaloid (if this is what causes any activity) is not known, havent been studiet at all. The person, who I obtained the seeds to these plants from, has grown his petunias in low altitude australia and claims some activity. But peoples bioassays varies from effective, to some effects to non effective on this plant. This may have many reasons, altitude levels may be one, but so far that is just pure speculations and better studies are needet instead to understand how alkaloid(s) are developed and what actions these alkaloids have on the brain. And there will be a report, nevertheless, negative or not-.

What I noticed is that my camera doesnt give the flowers the exact same color as in reality. But its not a good camera, i am in desperate need for a better one.
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5454317 - 03/29/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just gonna use this thread and put some quotes and stuff here regarding this specie for later personal referance or whatever
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In the Highland of Ecuador, Shanin (Petunia violacea) was reportedly utilized as an entheogen. Chemical investigations have been unable to determine it's active principle. Novel diterpenes were found in the closely related Petunia patagonica and several ketones are known to occur in the genus. Indians of Ecuador report feelings of levitation and soaring through the air. Our shanin was organically grown in Argentina.Vigorous, spreading annual with a profusion of small, fragrant, violet-colored flowers. Great heat tolerance for a petunia.One of the parents of all modern Petunias is Petunia violacea, a native of South America. Petunia violacea is heat tolerant, low spreading and known for a profusion of violet flowers. Unfortunately, the flowers are smaller than modern hybrid flowers and are not considered to have great ornamental value. In 1993 Greg Grant observed Petunia violacea at a horticulture exposition in Stuttgart, Germany. Grant, a former Director of Product Development for Color Spot Growers, and now a lecturer at Stephen F. Austin University, recognized the potential of this Petunia and brought three seeds back to Texas.However, only one of the seeds germinated and produced a plant. From that one plant and through the efforts of Grant and Dr. Jerry Parsons, Extension Horticulturist for the Texas Agriculture Service, came the commercially available V.I.P. Petunia, an acronym for Very Important Petunia or Violet in Profusion. ?Laura Bush? Petunia is an offspring of the V.I.P. Petunia that was named by Greg Grant as a plant release of Stephen F. Austin University. V.I.P. Petunias are trailing Petunias, ideal for hanging baskets. They are practically sterile which means that they bloom continuously throughout summer. They prefer full sun, but tolerate moderate shade if they have a minimum of seven hours of direct sun. The ?Laura Bush? Petunia has the same special qualities of its ?mother?, but has larger blooms and is more cold tolerant.
This is what is described with shanin at iamshaman. whats intresting is its referance that laura bush has same "special qualities" as its mother. Now this can mean several things besides psycoactive properties. But I woner if any ethnobotanical vendors are selling laura bush as shanin.
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In the Highland of Ecuador Shanin - Petunia violacea- was utilized as an entheogen. Chemical analysis on this particular species of Petunia did not detect any alkaloids and the active constituents are still unknown.
The Indians of Ecuador report feelings of levitation and soaring through the air. Our shanin was organically grown in Argentina.
BBB claims that no alkaloids has been found, something that is conflicting with other information, but information from "ethnobotanical vendors" should always be taken with a pinch of salt.
in the book HALLUCINOGENIC PLANTS by Dr. Schultes
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SHANIN (Petunia violacea) is one of the most recently reported hallucinogens. It is taken by the Indians in Ecuador to induce the sensation of flight. Although an alkaloid of unknown identity hos been reported from this species of petunia, phytochemical investigation of petunias is urgently needed. Some 40 species of petunias grow in Sauth America and in warmer parts of North America. Members of the nightshade family, Solanaceae, they are closely allied to the genus Nicotiana (tobacco). Petunia violacea as well as other species are horticulturally important. Cultivated varieties, with their attractive, funnel-shaped blooms, are popular garden flowers that bloom profusely throughout the summer months.
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PETUNIA SHANIN - Petunia violaceae 'Shanin' Initiatic use: shamanic flight, astral travel, skrying This pretty purple-flowered plant, from the highlands of Ecuador, looks much like the common garden petunia, but has unique effects and historical use.
Petunias are nightshades, a family with an ancient lineage of use by witches and shamans, particularly for flight and astral travel. The nightshade alkaloids, the tropanes, create sensations of dizziness, vertigo, and rushing through the air (as on a broomstick), to varying degrees depending on the plant. The more infamous nightshades such as belladonna and mandrake create this effect to an extreme degree, often accompanied by memory loss and complete disassociation during or even after the trip, along with intense physical symptoms of heat and distress.
Chemical analyses of Shanin have yielded no insights into its alkaloid content, but the plant's effects are very much like others of its kin. Shanin gives a friendlier version of the tropane state, without the disorientation and potential for madness, but retaining the unmistakable sensation of flying. Vertigo and a feeling of spinning are also created, and the ground stretches out far below, with even one's own feet seeming far away. In meditation, Shanin helps the astral body separate and travel more easily.
this is from another vendor, now this should defently be taken with a pinch of salts. The question is how related to atropine alkaloids can the active principal in this plant be..
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Petunia violacea flowers (Shanin)
Our SHANIN contains only the petals (no stems or leaves) from organically grown plants that are harvested when the plant is in full bloom. It has been described by users traditionaly as ?spiritual, peaceful, uplifting, tranquilizing without confusion, very enjoyable. Petunia violacea (SHANIN) is an attractive violet-flowered species from South America, which produces an abundance of large, funnel-shaped blossoms throughout the summer.
The chemical constituents of Petunia violacea (or any other petunia) are not listed in Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases (www.ars-grin.gov/duke/). Its alleged hallucinogenic properties were first mentioned in Plants of the Gods by Richard Schultes and Albert Hoffmann. They report that the plant was used as a hallucinogen by Ecuadorian Indians, and that it induced feelings of levitation or of soaring through the air, which is a typical characteristic of many hallucinogens. Yet subsequent studies have not revealed any chemicals to account for this effect. In the journal Phytochemistry (1984, Volume 23, pages 2871-2873), in an article titled Petunia violacea: hallucinogen or not? , Schultes reports that using the Dragendorff?s reagent he was unable to detect any alkaloids at any stage in the plant?s development. However, he adds that ? not all hallucinogens are alkaloids, not all alkaloids will react with Dragendorff?s reagent, nor would all alkaloids have been extracted with the extraction methods employed. No absolute conclusion can be reached on the basis of these data; but if there is a hallucinogen in Petunia uiolucea, it is either non-alkaloidal or an atypical alkaloid, or even an alkaloid produced under very specific conditions not reproduced in this study
from shamanic extracts. i need to look up that article, the same article was in Journal of Ethnopharmacology. 1981 Jul;4(1):111-4 but im sure there will be nothing new here
+ this intresting thread i found here at this forum http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2842880
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5455123 - 03/29/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for that link.
What happened to Aneglakya?
I am eager to hear your reports on it.Im going to get some sprouted and growing in a hanging pot outside of my window.
Thanks for the info.Got any more pictures of your plant?
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5456204 - 03/29/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey y'all. I have been growing Petunias for several years now as an ornamental plant, does great in hanging baskets. Last year I did some research and obtained some seeds that were purported to be the South American variety. I grew the two varieties (mine from a nursery and the South American) side by side to discern the similarities and differences. ]Shanin on left, commercial strain on right[/url] The "Shanin" variety has smaller flowers and less foliage as compared to the commercial strain, which was surely bred for flower size. However, once planted in the ground the Shanin variety grew very well and the foliage increased greatly. I wish I had a pic of the in-ground Shanin, it spread out to cover like 6 square feet, just from that one plant. Beautiful many flowered ground cover for your partial sun gardens. Anyway, I never did bioassay these plant materials. Partially because of the unique property I find in this plant: it acts like a natural fly paper. The foliage and stems have little resin pads or something that catch many a small gnat or fly, so that the plant is practically covered in dead bugs. Crazy fer sure!
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: ToolTroll]
#5456400 - 03/29/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for sharing that picture 
yes, i have noticed its ability to catch and kill bugs, I do alot to keep my growrooms to be gnat\fly free (of course some bugs will there always be) but because of this any plant material used for consumption will be cleaned very well
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5458347 - 03/30/06 06:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ToolTroll: have you ever harvested seeds from your shanin and planted them later? i was wondering if the seeds gave you same genetic characters such as color and flower size or if there was any diffrence.
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5461819 - 03/30/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I will be planting some this spring that I harvested last year, I too am curious about the result. I'll let you know...
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: ToolTroll]
#5512169 - 04/13/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I have done my first experience with shanin today
I made "ice tea" out of 35 grams leaves + 20 freshly picked flowers, What i really did was soaking the dried powderized leaves for 24 hrs in cold water , shaken often, and than addet the flowers and some flavour (instant ice tea powder with peach) and had it in the fridge for another 6 hrs. I was thinking about heating it but since the activity is unknown i avoidet heat for now. and then i filtered it.
Then I drank the whole thing, it was not so bad to consume.
Well after only 10-15 minutes I could feel some effects, i felt quite lightheadet and i got talkative and a good feeling wich lasted about 20 minutes. Now I know from experience that these effects can be because of expetation (not to be confused with placebo) but i am pretty positive there was something there. I just think the dosages needs to be alot higher and the preparation was maybe not good enough. The effects was quite similar to what I have gotten from blue lotus before. I was playing with the idea of making an alcoholic beverage with this plant. anyways, i will do more experiments with shanin in near future
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5512213 - 04/13/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the update.Im glad you got some effects from it.A larger dose should be interesting.
How long does it usualy take for the shanin seeds to germinate?Mine havnt yet.
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oh i dont really remember, but i doubt it was over one week.
maybe i will have some fresh seeds availble , im not sure about it yet. anyways if i get enough i can send you some. maybe your seeds were old.i let you know peace
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5512531 - 04/13/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow,that would be great.Yeah it has ben about 2 weeks now and they havnt germinated.
I just started some more the other night on some jiffy pellets,maybe I will have better luck
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Re: A nice suprise - Shanin flowers [Re: giz]
#5512563 - 04/13/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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giz said: ToolTroll: have you ever harvested seeds from your shanin and planted them later? i was wondering if the seeds gave you same genetic characters such as color and flower size or if there was any diffrence.
Well, if the plant is from commercial stock, it should be a true breeding plant. If it wasn't, it would be a pain in the ass to cultivate them commercially.
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