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Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene?
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If one were to want to perform an alkaloid(mescaline) extraction and was unable to get benezene/xylene would zippo lighter fluid be an acceptable substitute? ie. would it leave behind any impuritys after crystalistion? And would there be any other considerations to take in in terms of proceddur when using lighter fluid. Also have searched everywhere but can't find exactly what is in lighter fluid. Any one out there know please? And if i use lighter fluid is there a brand name that would be best for this perpose? Alot of questions i know but need advice a.s.a.p.
many thanks,
Dr. J


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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zippo lighter fluid is naptha, but i dont know the answer to your question, but someone here does....

peace

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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: supra]
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Excellent thats all i needed to know. But if any one has any further advice or would like to know more about my favourite extraction method then please post here. Thanx for help.
Any impuritys in the naphtha in lighter fliud (ie >2%)?


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: supra]
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zippo lighter fluid is often naptha based fluids but not pure naphta. f

from wikipedia:

Other applications / descriptions
Naphthas are also used in other applications such as

(as an unprocessed component - in contrast to reforming above) in the production of petrol/motor gasoline.
as industrial solvents and cleaning fluids
as an ingredient in shoe polish
as an ingredient in some lighter fluids for wick type lighters such as Zippo lighters.
as an adulterant to petrol
as a fuel for portable stoves and lanterns, sold in North America as white gas or Coleman fuel.

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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: shriek]
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You probably don't want to use it for mesc. Keep looking for xylene, you can find it.

There is debate as to whether Naptha works. The tests I've heard of suggest no, but perhaps if it is kept very warm or hot. It's odd, as all 3 of the solvents mentioned work for dmt, and I was told by a member on another forum that all 3 work fine for psuedoephedrine extractions.


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You're not like the others. You like the same things I do. Wax paper, boiled football leather... dog breath. We're not hitch-hiking anymore, we're riding!

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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
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Thx. Have a supplier for pure benezene (toulene). He's just being a bit slow at the mo. Think i'll wait and get pure stuff. Just make some resin for now. UK people search in scottland for suppliers (hint,hint) they have different laws to uk and they dont have to ship by air (which is illegal apperently).
Thanks for the help guys.
Good trips to all.

Dr. J


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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Besides being illegal, I can't imagine I'd *want* to have any solvent shipped by air to me.


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
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Haha.... yea had considered it as UK? vs US$ rate are very good and i could of got it (xylene that is) for less than ?4 a gallon!! Ah well, got a 'proper' chem shop now. They're discreet too... Apart from the fact that the fools sent me Acetone instead of Toulene. Soz' but won't post they're address here, as i don't want any noob's fucking up a good thing by being stupid.
Advice when purchasing large amonuts of chemicals:- Start your own buisness (ie. cleaning products or painting/printing company etc.) cost ?25 to VAT register your company. As long as you are proffesional in your conduct (know your chem jargon) then they'll not be suspicious.

The devil's are really angels, freeing us from the earth.

Dr. J


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
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BTW. gf is a huge koala fan and loves your avitar!!!


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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Thanks. :smile:


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
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can you use xylene for dmt extraction or dxm extraction?


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
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Yes, you can for DMT.

It seems that it actually works even better, but can pull out more than you want. Thus, evaping can give you nasty stuff, it is also smelly.

A good way to go might be to do xylene. If you get a dirty product, just drop it in a *small* amount of naptha (enough to dissolve) and freeze that.


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
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hmm well is it also good for defatting a small thing of naptha is same price as a big thing of xylene


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
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Yea I've heard it works well to. Though I think Toulene works better, but is more dangerous to work with. Each to their own. Only tried Xylene once so would be interested to hear other people's results.

PEOPLE! - Use a vacum when evaporating toulene or at least an extractor hood!!! And i hope anyone who is even considering doing this with any flamable chemicals uses a hob NOT a gas stove!
(visions of hapless noobs cooking benezene on camp fire!!! lol)

Not much experience with DMT extraction (4 times!) so please let me know what methods work best for you.


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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iv done dmt twice frist time good, second fucked up. so where does xylene go in the final extraction is it on top or bottum


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
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Top as far as i remember! Same as any other extraction.


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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sweetness well other things to use dont end up on top thanks for all the advice


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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sweetness well other things to use dont end up on top thanks for all the advice one last thing tho can you freeze it to extract the crystals from the stuff i dont know much about doing it would you freeze it then pour thru a coffe filter then wash the crystals with water?


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
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Yes i use freeze method, but not for defatting. There's a bit of uncertainty about the freezing temp of mescaline in given mixture (not pure form). So beware. But the water obviously freezes before benzene, xylene etc. Check my post on extraction, as far as i know xylene can be substitued like for like in process but not 100% on that.


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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
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On a final note... my chem supplier got back to me; not only is my Toulene arriving in a day and a half, but she says i can keep the Acetone (?35 worth) free of charge for my troubles!!! Joy!!! lol
Brilliant company. May pass on they're address to UK people who have genuine chemistry experience. But then i assume most of you people already have your own source's...anyway i digress...
Point is - that really made my day!
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