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Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene?
#5394543 - 03/13/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If one were to want to perform an alkaloid(mescaline) extraction and was unable to get benezene/xylene would zippo lighter fluid be an acceptable substitute? ie. would it leave behind any impuritys after crystalistion? And would there be any other considerations to take in in terms of proceddur when using lighter fluid. Also have searched everywhere but can't find exactly what is in lighter fluid. Any one out there know please? And if i use lighter fluid is there a brand name that would be best for this perpose? Alot of questions i know but need advice a.s.a.p. many thanks, Dr. J
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5394572 - 03/13/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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zippo lighter fluid is naptha, but i dont know the answer to your question, but someone here does....
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: supra]
#5394578 - 03/13/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Excellent thats all i needed to know. But if any one has any further advice or would like to know more about my favourite extraction method then please post here. Thanx for help. Any impuritys in the naphtha in lighter fliud (ie >2%)?
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: supra]
#5394587 - 03/13/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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zippo lighter fluid is often naptha based fluids but not pure naphta. f
from wikipedia:
Other applications / descriptions Naphthas are also used in other applications such as
(as an unprocessed component - in contrast to reforming above) in the production of petrol/motor gasoline. as industrial solvents and cleaning fluids as an ingredient in shoe polish as an ingredient in some lighter fluids for wick type lighters such as Zippo lighters. as an adulterant to petrol as a fuel for portable stoves and lanterns, sold in North America as white gas or Coleman fuel.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: shriek]
#5394640 - 03/13/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You probably don't want to use it for mesc. Keep looking for xylene, you can find it.
There is debate as to whether Naptha works. The tests I've heard of suggest no, but perhaps if it is kept very warm or hot. It's odd, as all 3 of the solvents mentioned work for dmt, and I was told by a member on another forum that all 3 work fine for psuedoephedrine extractions.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5394869 - 03/13/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thx. Have a supplier for pure benezene (toulene). He's just being a bit slow at the mo. Think i'll wait and get pure stuff. Just make some resin for now. UK people search in scottland for suppliers (hint,hint) they have different laws to uk and they dont have to ship by air (which is illegal apperently). Thanks for the help guys. Good trips to all.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5395102 - 03/13/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Besides being illegal, I can't imagine I'd *want* to have any solvent shipped by air to me.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5395135 - 03/13/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha.... yea had considered it as UK? vs US$ rate are very good and i could of got it (xylene that is) for less than ?4 a gallon!! Ah well, got a 'proper' chem shop now. They're discreet too... Apart from the fact that the fools sent me Acetone instead of Toulene. Soz' but won't post they're address here, as i don't want any noob's fucking up a good thing by being stupid. Advice when purchasing large amonuts of chemicals:- Start your own buisness (ie. cleaning products or painting/printing company etc.) cost ?25 to VAT register your company. As long as you are proffesional in your conduct (know your chem jargon) then they'll not be suspicious.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5395286 - 03/13/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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BTW. gf is a huge koala fan and loves your avitar!!!
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5395305 - 03/13/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5395349 - 03/13/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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can you use xylene for dmt extraction or dxm extraction?
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5395362 - 03/13/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, you can for DMT.
It seems that it actually works even better, but can pull out more than you want. Thus, evaping can give you nasty stuff, it is also smelly.
A good way to go might be to do xylene. If you get a dirty product, just drop it in a *small* amount of naptha (enough to dissolve) and freeze that.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5395395 - 03/13/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmm well is it also good for defatting a small thing of naptha is same price as a big thing of xylene
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5395412 - 03/13/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea I've heard it works well to. Though I think Toulene works better, but is more dangerous to work with. Each to their own. Only tried Xylene once so would be interested to hear other people's results.
PEOPLE! - Use a vacum when evaporating toulene or at least an extractor hood!!! And i hope anyone who is even considering doing this with any flamable chemicals uses a hob NOT a gas stove! (visions of hapless noobs cooking benezene on camp fire!!! lol)
Not much experience with DMT extraction (4 times!) so please let me know what methods work best for you.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5395733 - 03/13/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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iv done dmt twice frist time good, second fucked up. so where does xylene go in the final extraction is it on top or bottum
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5395828 - 03/13/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Top as far as i remember! Same as any other extraction.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5396082 - 03/13/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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sweetness well other things to use dont end up on top thanks for all the advice
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5396086 - 03/13/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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sweetness well other things to use dont end up on top thanks for all the advice one last thing tho can you freeze it to extract the crystals from the stuff i dont know much about doing it would you freeze it then pour thru a coffe filter then wash the crystals with water?
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5396108 - 03/13/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes i use freeze method, but not for defatting. There's a bit of uncertainty about the freezing temp of mescaline in given mixture (not pure form). So beware. But the water obviously freezes before benzene, xylene etc. Check my post on extraction, as far as i know xylene can be substitued like for like in process but not 100% on that.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5396348 - 03/13/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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On a final note... my chem supplier got back to me; not only is my Toulene arriving in a day and a half, but she says i can keep the Acetone (?35 worth) free of charge for my troubles!!! Joy!!! lol Brilliant company. May pass on they're address to UK people who have genuine chemistry experience. But then i assume most of you people already have your own source's...anyway i digress... Point is - that really made my day!
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5396634 - 03/13/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well in dmt extraction the whole thing is DMT freezes and naptha doesnt so they are easy to seperate
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5396784 - 03/13/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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*water freezes
It's useful for either. You either want to save the one that freezes, or toss it.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5397073 - 03/13/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DrJ said: Thx. Have a supplier for pure benezene (toulene). He's just being a bit slow at the mo. Think i'll wait and get pure stuff. Just make some resin for now. UK people search in scottland for suppliers (hint,hint) they have different laws to uk and they dont have to ship by air (which is illegal apperently). Thanks for the help guys. Good trips to all.
Dr. J
Benzene is not toluene. Benzene is a cyclic hydrocarbon that also happens to be a potent carcinogen. Benzene is something you want to avoid at all points during your lifetime, if reasonably possible. If you're exposed to a decent quantitiy of benzene, it is very likely to give you cancer.
This is benzene:
this is toluene compared to benzene:
While the toluene clearly contains what is referred to as a "benzene ring", it is nonetheless a completely different chemical. The two should not be confused.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398100 - 03/14/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmm going back would xylene work for DXM extraction in place of naptha. and what else can toluene be used for is that better for extractions im still pretty new to extractions
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5398184 - 03/14/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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toluene is preferrable to xylene, it's just that xylene is easier to procure. Toluene is an ingredient in TNT, which is one reason to make it harder to get. Also, xylene evaporates more slowly, which for many hardware-type uses makes it preferrable. The two are very similar. In fact my can of xylene says bluntly that it is "similar to toluene" but that it evaporates more slowly.
If you can find toluene, use it. It serves the same purpose but is reported to be better, and I beleive that.
Naptha isn't any one specific substance, however. Like many petroleum distillates it's a mixture of a lot of chemicals. As a result, I really don't have the time to figure out on my own whether toluene would be an acceptible replacement for it. I'm sure somebody can share information about that question based upon experience, however.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398242 - 03/14/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oopsie 
Konnrade, your molecule depicts Styrene, not Toluene.
C6H6 = Benzene C6H5-CH3 = Toluene C6H4(CH3)2 = Xylene C6H5-CH=CH2 = Styrene
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Asante]
#5398246 - 03/14/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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God damnit... now I knew it was a bad idea to just rely on a google image search, but I did it anyways. Shame on my lazy self 
I'll fix that post up with a proper image. The new image should be right, as long as the person whom I ninja-hotlinked it from wasn't talking out of their ass.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398287 - 03/14/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just woke up...glad to see the debate continues. Yes i know how dangerous Toulene is but i have safety equipment. I just worry about purity of Commerical grade chemicals (as opposed to Lab Grade). And what those impuritys mean for the final product ie. quality/safety. I currently use for safety :- Mask, gloves, saftey glasses, lab coats, extractor hood, and for really fummy stages in the extraction WW2 gas masks!!! lol Does anyone have any better suggestions?
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5398307 - 03/14/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea u can wash with water, ammonia, acteone or ether all have advantages and disadvantages (ie. ether is uber flammable for example but evaporates very fast)(but can be easily obtained from a can of starter fuel)
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398370 - 03/14/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DrJ said: Just woke up...glad to see the debate continues. Yes i know how dangerous Toulene is but i have safety equipment. I just worry about purity of Commerical grade chemicals (as opposed to Lab Grade). And what those impuritys mean for the final product ie. quality/safety. I currently use for safety :- Mask, gloves, saftey glasses, lab coats, extractor hood, and for really fummy stages in the extraction WW2 gas masks!!! lol Does anyone have any better suggestions?
you use a WWII gas mask? If I may be so selfish as to ask, did it come with the carrying bag? because the bags used for british WWII gas masks happen to be what Indiana Jones' bag was made out of. I've been itching to get ahold of one, for costume purposes.
On a safety note, did you check ALL of the rubber parts of the mask? On stuff that old, rubber parts can dry rot, which makes them break down.
Come to think of it... where did you get the gas mask? I want one!
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398478 - 03/14/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL...no it didn't come with bag, but i got it from army surplus store and shall go check there for you. I know the bag you mean as am big Dr Jones fam myself! I shall find cost for you asap.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398482 - 03/14/06 10:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet they're still pricey, being a collectible.
But damn... it would be cool to have one!
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398493 - 03/14/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol.yea. Mask cost only ?45 though.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398498 - 03/14/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Make me look quite scary though...can you imagine, me flask in hand, wearing lab coat, gloves and gas mask?! Dr Frankinstein!! lol
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398542 - 03/14/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds more like a Chemical Ali to me!
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398567 - 03/14/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much are masks there? I imagine they cost more. Here everyones grand dad has one in they're attic!!! Well not quite, but they're not hard to come by. Obviuosly, you can count yourself lucky to find a functional one. I only got it cos it was cheaper than other options...still i worry about safety. Does anyone know of a cheap modern alternative that will protect me against Toluene fumes please?
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398593 - 03/14/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hardware stores carry what is called a "halfmask".
They usually cost about $30 to $40 US.
I doubt the standard filters would do anything about fumes, though. The best option is always good ventilation. I'd say just work outside if you're concerned about fumes.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398610 - 03/14/06 10:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea, i got extractor hood and open windows, i also only cook at night (midnight onwards) to attact as little attention as possible, then by morning its as if nothing happened! hehe
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398625 - 03/14/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well as long as your ventilation is good then your worries are minimal. And as long as your gas mask doesn't have dry rot it should still function. There are plenty of old german submarine rebreathers that are still in working condition. Check the rubber, if it seems cracked or powdery, apply a thin layer of mineral oil to it. That should help supple it back up and extend it's life.
BTW, a rebreather is the choice option for fumes. Vapors are dissolved in air, so are hard to scrub out of it. A rebreather is a closed system, you don't even inhale out of the local atmosphere. Rebreathers are expensive though. You really do not need one unless you plan on being in serious hazmat conditions. I only mention it as a nifty FYI sort of thing.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398636 - 03/14/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whoops, wierd double post
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398662 - 03/14/06 11:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, but i'm not exactly commercial, can't afford this kind of equipment, but thanks for advice. Another thing that I found out is that WW1 soldiers caught in a gas attack were trained to put a peice of cloth soaked in piss over their mouth. I know that this works, but unwilling to inhale my own piss!!! Does any one know of another chemical that would be as effective for this purpose, but not gross or harmful?
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398684 - 03/14/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well... you DO have a gas mask don't you? AND a means of providing decent ventilation?
To be honest if you have those two precautions in place you're doing great. If the work area still has vapors and you still notice their odor, just spend as little time exposed to it as possible. Work quickly (but safely!) and then exit to a place with fresh air. Limited exposure to the fumes is nothing to be overly concerned about. If you notice any discomfort or a headache, however, leave immediately and don't return until you feel better and the fumes have dissipated.
Trust me, while the vapors aren't exactly a health supplement, they aren't a death sentence. More than likely I exposed myself to twice the unhealthy fumes when I put together my model of an F-14a inside of my bathroom . I'm still fine, and I would say my brain is quite intact.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398706 - 03/14/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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LMAO...yea.. i take all those precautions, and don't have probs. Besides all the weed the tabacco i smoke will probably give me cancer before the fumes do!!! Still, want to be as safe as possible. Will post pics n results of my next batch.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398757 - 03/14/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Heh, yes... most likely your fume exposure is of no consequence compared to that of smoking.
And if anything it pales in comparison to my truly heroic exposure to superglue fumes.
Ironic when you consider the fact that I count superglue as one of my mortal enemies. What kind of evil man invents a kind of glue that takes a few minutes to dry on the object your gluing, but that dries instantly whenever it touches skin? It's a curse from the devil I tells you!
But I digress 
I look forward to seeing your pictures.
If you wouldn't mind posting pictures of your equipment too, I'd love to see it. Especially the gas mask 
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5398783 - 03/14/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol...saw program here called Death Wish Live. Its about this crazy british escape artist. For one escape he superglued his hands together! He ripped of all the skin from both hands!!! Owch!! Later gtg
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5398887 - 03/14/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fun fact: the fumes emitted by superglue react chemically with substances present on your skin. After doing so, it forms a hard solid that is white and opaque.
As a result of this opportune phenomena, the fumes of superglue (cyanoacrylate) are used to turn latent fingerprints into a visible, durable image for forensic analysis. It's referred to as "superglue fuming".
Sorry for going off on a tangent. 
Good luck with your extraction!
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5408563 - 03/16/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i asked earlier in post no one assessed can xylene replace naphtha in a DXM extract
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5408591 - 03/16/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I assume so, it reacts in more or less the same way. Check Wilipedia for it boiling temps. and stuff, they may vary to your original extraction method (if appilcaable, if you freeze for defatting etc then this may not apply) and ajust accoringly. This is only ffrom theory not practice, but let me know how it goes.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: DrJ]
#5408771 - 03/16/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmm my final product is really milky coloured you combined it to a weak acid to extract the stuff from the naptha in my case xylene
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5412089 - 03/17/06 10:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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just add more acid till crystals star to form... i think this should sort it but then i don't know exactly what method your using.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: thedudenj]
#5414373 - 03/17/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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From the sounds of it he's using a precipitation approach. Instead of mixing thoroughly with acid water, which forms salts that drift into solution in the water (which has to be evaporated), you can put the solvent into a container and add very tiny quantities of acid. The acids form the salt, but there is nowhere near enough water to dissolve them, so they precipitate out of solution and can be collected.
I imagine there is a noticeable amount of waste possible with this method though.
Also, I'm just guessing. He's not said anything that would indicate what method he is using in any certain capacity.
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Re: Is zippo lighter fuel an acceptable substitue for Toulene? [Re: Konnrade]
#5414465 - 03/17/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is similar to my method. I repeat the process 3 times to get all the crystals out.
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