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OfflineGr8fulJ420
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Camp stove + airline travel???
    #5303292 - 02/15/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Are small backpacker's stoves and empty (or even new-in-box) fuel containers allowed on airplanes? I've checked the regulations listed on the TSA & FFA websites and they don't allows "fuel" but I would not be bringing any fuel with me. However, they could perhaps claim it to be an "incendiary device" since it does, in fact, produce flame; when hooked up, fueled, pressurised and lit.

Have any of you FLOWN recently with such a stove on your person? Any experience or advice to share?


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5303880 - 02/15/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the stove is fine packed away... I think even an empty fuel bottle would cause a problem.


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5305921 - 02/16/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What do you do with your pack?
Do you feel it's safe going through as is or do you cover it?


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5306150 - 02/16/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just asked a similar question on whiteblaze.net.

It seems that stoves aren't a problem ever and fuel canisters empty and free of any fumes aren't really a problem either.
Some people fill there's up with vinegar and label it "Filled with Vinegar" along with a clip of the airlines rules and regulations taped or held on with a rubber band.


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Adom]
    #5308144 - 02/16/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I called the airline we'll be using, the lady quoated from their regulation book saying that only "propane" stoves were allowed; but I think when I say "camp stove" most people think of the big green Coleman monsters, not the tiny MSR Whisperlite.

I also found a link on the TSA website saying:
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Transporting Camping Equipment
Outdoor enthusiasts should carefully prepare and pack to avoid removal of prohibited items from checked baggage or surrendering prohibited items at the security checkpoint. A specific list of all permitted and prohibited items is at (link). Below is information specific to traveling in pursuit of outdoor activities:

Camp Stoves - Can travel as carry-on or checked luggage only if empty of all fuel and cleaned such that vapors and residue are absent. Simply emptying the fuel container is insufficient as flammable vapors remain. TSA recommends you ship these ahead of time as they are frequently confiscated due to fuel vapors.

url=http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1187.xml TSA page on Camping Equipment WARNING::: .GOV LINK





So maybe filling it with vinegar and labelling as such would prove that there are no dangerous fumes present.

I spoke with a TSA representative on the phone, and she told me they have certain regulations in place, but at the time of entry it is ultimately up to the discection of the screener. So that means no matter what the TSA site or youir airline says, if your screener decides she/he doesn't want to let your stove/fuel bottle on, it ain't going on. I am going to stop by the airport tomorrow with my stove and fuel bottle (and print out of the above page) and see what the local TSA screener(s) says.

Otherwise the least hassle will probably be to postal mail it to the local post office for General Delivery and pick it up after my plane lands. Unless of course it gets lots in the mail... or delayed or broke or whatever else can happen to packages.

Any way you look at it, I'll to deal with a number of gov't beauracracies which don't really give a shit about me my stove or my camping trip.

EDIT: I've checked my pack several times and not had any trouble with it.


Edited by Gr8fulJ420 (02/16/06 06:39 PM)


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5308630 - 02/16/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That really sucks, maybe I'll ground mail my stuff ahead to our friends in Atlanta so we don't have to worry about it. I'll be flying with my gear next month and I really can't afford to be loosing my stove(although I'd probably switch to one I'd make myself). I'd probably better ask my airline just in case.

When I asked about your pack I was wondering if you put it in a duffel bag or something similar. I wouldn't want a buckle damaged by careless security and I've watched them numerous times, they aren't very careful.
I've heard peoples various methods of protection and just as many check there pack as is, I was curious as to your experiences with traveling with a pack.


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5317632 - 02/19/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Definetely the fuel bottles have been a problem when I've tried to fly...I've had to ditch a couple with airport security. Best bet is to empty them and clean them out with soapy water.

Never personally had a problem with my MSR stove.


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5317933 - 02/19/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... what he said.. clean it out about 3 times with hot soapy water.. then rinse, rinse, rinse..


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Shroomism]
    #5329200 - 02/22/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

MSR stoves can be fully taken apart and don't look much like a stove anymore, the fuel bottle can be spraypainted to look less dangerous like the Red most are (let them look like a Sigg water bottle)
putting some soda in the bottle to smell like a water contianer helps aswell

the pump is the hardest to hide.

a friend of mine lost his brand new Dragonfly stove (that was never been used before) on a US flight.

i have heard about very high fines ($1000+) for trying to board with a filled fuel bottle


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Anand]
    #5334504 - 02/24/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My airline told me I can't travel with my stove, fuel bottle or knife. No ans, ifs or buts about it.

I have to mail mine ahead of me or risk loosing my equipment.


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Adom]
    #5349483 - 02/28/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My stove and fuel bottle made it over and back-- from one small Hawaiian airport (Maui) to an even smaller Hawaiian airport (Hilo, Big Island). On the flight over it was with my wife in her suitcase. She made it through security and checked the luggage without any problems.

On our way home, I had it in my pack flying a different (and even smaller) flight company. (My plane had room for 9, only 2 passeners aboard!) Since I used a different seperate terminal there was no security search at all. I gave my pack to the pilot and he tossed it in the plane! No problems there!!!

(I'll be posting some pics of our trip later this week)

Adom: You should be able to check a knife, but not have it in your carry on. That's what the TSA list of permitted and prohibited items says. But if you're gonna mail the stove you might as well mail that too, I suppose. Does your airline have their own "List" available on their website that says otherwise?


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Re: Camp stove + airline travel??? [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
    #5350847 - 02/28/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My hiking partner called their customer service, so he recieved all of our information from an employee.

He's checked rifles through this same airline(who I can't remember at the moment) but they are telling us we can't have a knife in our checked luggage even if it's claimed, sounds crazy to me but I might as well mail it with everything else anyways.


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