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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: MisterMyco]
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MisterMyco said:
Yea, I can ride around and listen to some nigga music, hang out in a club thats 98% black, and still talk, dress and "act white", whatever the fuck that means :smile:


exactly!!  :thumbup:

you werent being sarcastic right?? lol. because its true!


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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I really don't understand why people on this board sometimes fall into prejudices like these... I don't really think any of us have the right to judge anyone, and the insights of mushrooms, which is the common thread between all of you, only made this clearer, at least for me.

Why can't a white person act like that? Why is that way of acting particularly black? Because black people more often live in areas where that is the predominant culture, but these areas are not completely void of white people.

People are not less intelligent or capable of emotion or feeling because they talk differently. Same goes for "emo" kids that are so often mocked here and any other uninformed stereotype.

I just dont understand the logic of any of this.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: mmarc]
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mmarc said:
I really don't understand why people on this board sometimes fall into prejudices like these... I don't really think any of us have the right to judge anyone, and the insights of mushrooms, which is the common thread between all of you, only made this clearer, at least for me.

Why can't a white person act like that? Why is that way of acting particularly black? Because black people more often live in areas where that is the predominant culture, but these areas are not completely void of white people.

People are not less intelligent or capable of emotion or feeling because they talk differently. Same goes for "emo" kids that are so often mocked here and any other uninformed stereotype.

I just dont understand the logic of any of this.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: trendal]
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damn wiggers...


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Well, "acting black" is really an accent or a dialect, it's not like it's genetic or anything.

So if a white kid is raised in an area surrounded by blacks, and grew up with blacks, then naturally they're going to talk like that. One thing I've noticed about living in Canada is that most of the blacks up here talk like white people. Americans find that weird sometimes, but it's just about who you grow up with.

But if you grow up speaking one way, and then take on another dialect/accent just to sound cool, that's kinda weird. Sometimes people toss in a few colloquialisms as a joke, but adapting that entire pattern of speech is kind of fake.

But even if you grew up talking that way, and then starting hanging out with black people all the time, you're bound to start talking like they do a bit, that's just how the human brain works, you adapt the speech patterns of those around you.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Phluck]
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this tpoicis actually rather wide. theres alot of different places in america, all of which have wiggers. now, you got white kids who grow up on the outskirts of black ghettos, they they are involved with the blacks more than other whites. so in that case its fine, ill let that shit slide. but then you go to beverly hills and got the same shit... wtf. then you go to the mid west, to an all white neighborhood, and again, same shit. and honestly, i dont see too many white boys, no matter how poor they are, being able to mix that much with the blacks, they might go to school together, but they dont mix like that. and those schools that they go to on the ghetto outskirts, the blacks arent as afroed out as the deep ghetto kids. so there cant be that many. i know that here in cali, there are alot of places white people jsut cant go to, they will be shot. places like this being parts of long beach, parts of compton, parts of south central, etc etc. then new york its the same (the boyfriend of my dads girlfriends daughter took a job as a mail man and got sent to deliver mail somewhere in a ghetto in connecticut, and he got shewed up, pissed his pants, cause they would chase his truck with pit bulls and yell at him threatin him. that job didnt last... lol.

my point is, there are white kids who were influence by blacks to the point where they wil lget black haircuts at the blacks barbershop, that they will talk jyve (however you spell that), etc. but most wiggers arent from those places. and those are the kids i have no respect for.





damn wiggers.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Monkey see, Monkey do.

With that said, I admit it is those who are born and raised in the whitest of all towns in the middle of a rural countryside, suddenly try ridiculously hard to shake off their whiteness and be rebels by imitating the black people that they see everyday - only on MTV, who can rather abrasive and thus, irritating. They often try ridiculously hard to make sure their articles of clothing are triple-oversized and baggy enough to smuggle Volkswagens in, and walk with a gait that screams "Yo, chek dis shiet, I be hardcore, I got mad identity crisis up in my head, yo. Don't FUCK wit ME.", and promote the excessive use of slangs, butchered words, dialects that would otherwise be the result of an actual education deficiency, and attitudes which reek of rebelliousness with as much meaning as a brick of ice in Alaska.




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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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:thumbup:

Just be. You don't have to try so hard at that...


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
Do you think it is entirely cool for white people to want to partake in urban culture or do you find it lame when a white person does that?


Lame, but it's their choice.

However, the rich ones are a profitable demographic. Willing to buy guns, drugs, and clothes for way more than they are worth. As long as they're lining pockets, they can stay.

The poor ones on the other hand, they are just useless. Most of the time they end up getting knocked out on the corner and give up their thuggish ways.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: daimyo]
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Quickly while we're on the topic, i'd just like to take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of my country for the King of All Wiggers, Tim Westwood.

As a nation, we are all more ashamed of and infuriated by this pathetic little maggot farmer than we are of the royal family.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: trendal]
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Trend, you're Canadian so I respond to you :grin:

I find it to be interesting to observe threads like this one. It's well-known the USA has hangups about race and it's interesting to watch it all unfold and how people navigate in the web of race relations.
It's a very tricky subject.

"white people who try to act black"
you could write an essay about that :smile:

I feel it's a shame we don't have a sizable black american Shroomerite community to balance things out a bit.

There is so much alienation here, there at some point has to be an exchange of sorts to defuse the scaryness of "the other side" because tension keeps building.
This really is alot like the Cold War.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Asante]
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Hangups about race have no boundaries.

The thread is about idiots seeking the coolness at the cost of who they really are.

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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Cowgold]
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Hangups about race have no boundaries.


Touch?, but American culture has an unique situation if you look at the past.

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The thread is about idiots seeking the coolness at the cost of who they really are.


I hope you don't mean race = identity.

Most of what I see discussed here is about whites heavily indulging in hiphop culture which is adhered to by mostly black people.

If a black guy is really into hollywood-movies, that doesnt make him a wannabe-white guy does it?

And why is a white guy who acts "black" gazed upon as disgusting whereas a black guy acting "white" is not?

Kids going to extremes is race and era-independent. What is so particularly bad about a white kid embracing what he percieves to be black culture? Why is it such a taboo to cross the invisible line in the cafetaria and eat your lunch with the black kids?


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Cowgold] * 1
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I agree that you should only judge individuals and their unique character, rather than groups as broad as 'white people who try to act black', I've had this discussion quite a few times and its easy to start sounding ignorant/racist if you categorize people.

That being said, white OR black, people that try to act tough and talk like thugs do annoy me. But usually if they're black, you kind of give them the OK whereas if they're white you might be more inclined to think of them as a poser. This is discrimination and you should be wary of it. Don't pass judgement just based on that.

In my experience, white people who act "ghetto" tend to be less intelligent, less respectful, and a lot more reckless in their behavior. I'm not implying any causality, just noting some common characteristics.

I, myself, would never want to model this type of behavior, but what do you think are some reasons people justify it?

I could say the same for hippies. When I went to see Phish, I noticed a lot of disrespectful assholes, drugged out lowlifes, etc., but I go to another show of almost equal musical genre the crowd could APPEAR exactly the same on the outside but in reality they end up proving to be much better people, more use of manners and and lot more friendliness and respect for others. It is, thus, I think dangerous to committ yourself fully to any one culture, whether it be a thug or a hippie, unless you're willing to accept the consequences which include the fact that you're probably going to get judged. I think thats why a lot of people, myself included, realize at some point in their life that its better to sort of blend in and find other ways to still be their own very unique individual.

For me, I want to have an edge in everything I do practically, so when it comes to the way I dress, I don't want to dress goth because there's no reason for me to give the impression I might be a psycho, and I don't want to be a thug because again there's nothing desirable about it fo rme. I dress somewhat casually with a little bit of a hippy/skater edge because a) I like the styles and the ability to be creative with them and b) you do tend to dress like the groups of peers you enjoy being a part of. This is not a rule, just a tendency. I create my own personal style through subtle things like custom t-shirts or necklaces or whatever. But I do try to blend in somewhat because I don't want to be put into a category of people notorious for being ignorant assholes, and I want people to look past my rather simple clothes so they're more likely to want to just get to know me first. You're going to be judged no matter what, but there is a level of control you have that should not be dismissed. Trying to minimize how much initial judgement you take on by the way you talk/dress, this is a noble goal for me and others, in my opinion, since it's likely to open up more opportunities and thus increase lifelong happiness. Whether or not I accomplish this feat at all, I cannot say just yet, but that's sort of the logic behind the way I dress. What I can't understand is why someone would want to dress in a way that hinders their opportunities -- do they not understand this, or do they just not care?

Moving to the subject of language, for instance, I have friends who constantly use the F-bomb, loudly nonetheless, in public, and sometimes its kind of embarassing to be around. But if I ask them, nicely, to try and curb it, they'll stare at me like I'm asking some ridiculous favor (as if it's really that important to use obscene words that ultimately do not add anything to the substance/meaning of a sentence?). Where they're from, I guess it is acceptable and maybe commonplace, or maybe their parents were potty-mouths as well and so they have no reason to reject it. But where I'm from, dropping the f-bomb in public gets you a lot of dirty looks and is generally considered very disrespectful, especially in the presence of children. Does the fact that they grew up around it justify their continued use of it here? Or do you think they ought to break the habit and realize that they might have been raised a bit off-color? The perpetrator almost always will defend and continue their use, even if knowledgeably confronted.

Some people will say "live and let live" but I think when it comes to things like respect, no you do not have a right to use the f-bomb in front of my 3-year old just because you happened to grow up around it. That's not live and let live, because they're living but they're not letting me raise my daughter according to the MORE common social norm (which is to refrain from using the f-bomb around small children) Just because you don't see any harm in it, doesn't mean there is no harm in it. Respect for others is something a lot of parents seem to be forgetting to teach their kids these days, and needs to be incorporated into the "live and let live" principle.

This begs the question, should "thugs" keep up the act when they move someplace where its not really the norm? OR, how often do they? Or should we say go ahead, it's your roots, and if you contaminate our more elegant language use with your slang and improper grammar, well that's just the nature of the beast.

It seems to me that most of the people speaking "ebonics" have an extreme lack of vocabulary and some are simply trying to cover it up , maybe subconsciously, by adapting a less-stringent form of English. That or they just choose not to use a more advanced vocabulary, which doesn't really make sense when most people feel misunderstood enough, why would they want to worsen that by effectively dumbing down their communication level?

So it's not the fact that they talk or dress differently that annoys me, that's their right, but it's the fact that they are content with using the same 3rd-grade level vocabulary a crackhead bum might have started.

Take the phrase "an exponential increase"...it could be applied to millions of ideas, and is a very important idea to understand when it comes to just about any real-world issue, but how would one convey that phrase in ebonics in equal or less words? My point is that why are the same people who are hungry for power/control settling for ebonics which hinders both their power and control of a social situation? And what would be the benefit, if any, of sticking with ebonics, or than to fit in? Perhaps we should be disciplining kids in public schools for not using proper english?



Hope this rant wasn't too long, but I'm interested to hear someone else's thoughts on my theories.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Asante] * 1
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Touch?, but American culture has an unique situation if you look at the past.


False. America was not the last country to abolish slavery(in fact, it still exists in some countries) and is certainly not the only country with race problems(look at South Africa, for instance).


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Silversoul] * 1
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Also, I'd like to add that I'm far more concerned about black kids "acting black." That is, I hate the fact that have this idea that being educated and getting ahead in this world is somehow "acting white." They have become racist against themselves, and they need to overcome this if they want to be truly respected in this world.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Silversoul]
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Agreed, and I sort of highlight this in my post above.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
And why is a white guy who acts "black" gazed upon as disgusting whereas a black guy acting "white" is not?


Because we're all a bunch of whites. If you ask blacks what they think of the black who acts white, you'll get much of the same. Race is something that is cherished by many, and diluting it through mixing and assimilation is seen as an abomination.

Wiccan_Seeker said:
What is so particularly bad about a white kid embracing what he percieves to be black culture?


Nothing. If they want to form an African tribe and do African rituals, so be it. If they want to eat jerk food every day and think of themselves as Jamaican, so be it. It's when they start talking like uneducated fools, and fancying themselves as pimps and pushers that things turn.

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Why is it such a taboo to cross the invisible line in the cafetaria and eat your lunch with the black kids?


Abandoning your race/culture is heavy stuff.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Silversoul]
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False. America was not the last country to abolish slavery(in fact, it still exists in some countries) and is certainly not the only country with race problems(look at South Africa, for instance).


It's the nature of the situation that makes the US unique. The descendents of the former slaves live in the same country as the descendents of their oppressors. There's the civil rights issues which resolved mostly only recently. You have a two-party system.
Amewrica presents a unique situation and a very visble one as to most people the US is the best-known foreign country.


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Re: What do you think of white people who try to act black? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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The thread is about idiots seeking the coolness at the cost of who they really are.


I hope you don't mean race = identity.


I don't.

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Most of what I see discussed here is about whites heavily indulging in hiphop culture which is adhered to by mostly black people.


True, but the intent of the threadstarter, RandallFlag, has specificly outlined that this is not the case.

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If a black guy is really into hollywood-movies, that doesnt make him a wannabe-white guy does it?


No and what says that's a white characteristic?
And by that train of thought I can't eat at KFC anymore without being called a wigger.

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Kids going to extremes is race and era-independent. What is so particularly bad about a white kid embracing what he percieves to be black culture?

Nothing but abandoning your own is bad.

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