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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: zappaisgod]
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At least Huey Long was honest about it, contrarily to practically all politicians.

"People say I steal. Well, all politicians steal. I steal. But a lot of what I stole has spilled over in no-toll bridges, hospitals . . . and to build this university." -- speech at Louisiana State University

Here's another quote for you:

"The only difference I ever found between the Democratic leadership and the Republican leadership is that one of them is skinning you from the ankle up and the other, from the neck down."

But the original point I was trying to make is that, when NO was hit by a disastrous river flood in 1927, the politicians cared not one single bit about the poor black neighborhoods and actually sacrificed them in order to save the rich white neighborhoods from being damaged.

Government for the people, my ass.

I'm making a new post about this.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: beatnicknick]
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beatnicknick said:
DoctorJ said:
Ummmmm...  last time I was in New Orleans (about 5 years ago), a seventy year old black jazz musician and I had a fairly indepth conversation about how the levees would never hold if there was a bad enough storm and how most of the city was below sea level. 

So, apparrently most of the black jazz comunity knew about the levee failures too!  Someone should file a class action lawsuit against those jazz musicians :rolleyes:


So what you're saying is that even though the federal government could have done something and they're the ones in charge of emergencies and we all pay taxes for them to protect us from things like terrorists and disastors that require money for evacuation, we should just blame anybody that knew, regardless if it was their job to do something about it or not.  :rolleyes: You really go far out to try and protect your beloved federal government for their mistakes. And when the government makes mistakes (or on occasion does things and claim that are mistakes) it costs lives.  Human being lives. Why let them get away with it?


No, what I'm saying is that everyone has a responsibility to themselves not to put themselves in that kind of position.  Eveyone in NO knew what was up.  And I'm sure they enjoyed the cheap rent that came with the risk that they were knowingly taking.  Property values in NO are low for a reason.  Beacause its the dumbest place in the world to build on or inhabit.  The residents knew that, and the CHOSE to inhabit it anyway.  Now, if someone chooses to smoke cigarettes and gets cancer, do you think the feds should step in and help him out, too?  Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.  So the moral of the story is, don't expect uncle sam to bail you out when you build your house on quicksand.

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
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Bingo.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
No, what I'm saying is that everyone has a responsibility to themselves not to put themselves in that kind of position.  Eveyone in NO knew what was up.  And I'm sure they enjoyed the cheap rent that came with the risk that they were knowingly taking.  Property values in NO are low for a reason.  Beacause its the dumbest place in the world to build on or inhabit.  The residents knew that, and the CHOSE to inhabit it anyway.  Now, if someone chooses to smoke cigarettes and gets cancer, do you think the feds should step in and help him out, too?  Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.  So the moral of the story is, don't expect uncle sam to bail you out when you build your house on quicksand.


So the victims are just a bunch of idiots huh? That's basically what you're saying.

You know, there are reasons why people live there. Two of them is because they were born there and they don't have the means to go anywhere else. But that's just their own damn problem huh? Fuck.

You're just doing what the media has done, demonizing those that were left behind. The good and responsible folks are the ones that were able to leave, but the dumb and irresponsible are those that stayed. But you can't leave when you have nowhere to go and no way to get there.

You're probably one of those folks that rather spend money on security measures such as protecting stores from being looted, instead of spending it on rescue operations.


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Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.


:confused: You don't think it would've been possible to predict that the levees were going to break and flood NO? You don't think it would've been possible to send buses before the hurricane? You don't think it would've been possible to send enough helicopters to rescue those that were trapped? Not possible to bring enough food and water to the starving? Not possible to bring medical aid to the wounded? Not possible to send more buses to the shelterless? etc etc etc.

How could this not be possible in the richest most powerful country in the world?

Its not a matter of money, its just a matter of will. And it seems that the political will at least, wasn't really there. And the way you make it out to be, the population's will wasn't really there either.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
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Yes, they should have been evacuated (by force, if necessary) and the levees should have been mended.

Neither of these things should have been the responsibility of the national government. Those type of situations should be taken care of by the state and local gov'ts.

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
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sorry, I've seen too many FEMA emergency ATM cards used to purchase lap dances and gold jewelry to have a lot of sympathy. In dallas, we've had a lot of refugees come through here, or as I like to cal it "The Cajun Crime Wave".

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Redstorm]
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Maybe. I'm not too sure who's responsibility it should have been, but I know it should've been someone's responsibility.

And if you think it should've been the local government's responsibility, well it sure didn't think so itself. When you hear about the governor urging the population in NO to "pray the hurricane down" to a level two, you can't help but wonder wtf?

What do you think yourself? Do you think there was an actual lack of will to help these people out?

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
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exclusive58 said:
So the victims are just a bunch of idiots huh? That's basically what you're saying.



What the hell, I'll chime in.  Yep, they're fucking idiots, just like the morons who continue to live on the Mississippi River flood plain.  He's dead right about why real estate is so cheap there and why no private insurance company will cover them.  The old part of the city survived quite fine.  The rest, not so well.  Why, in your opinion, should someone who lives in Ohio subsidize, through federal flood insurance and levee construction, some jerk who decides to live in NO seeing as how they've been fucking warned for decades?  Local issue, local expense.
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You know, there are reasons why people live there. Two of them is because they were born there and they don't have the means to go anywhere else. But that's just their own damn problem huh? Fuck.


I call total bullshit on this one.  It doesn't cost shit to move.  Really.  Get on your bike and ride.  It's easy.  Unless you have totally fucked your situation in other ways.  Like 3 babies you can't support anyway no matter where you are.  Mobility in this country is astonishing until you take it away from yourself.  Tell me again why I need to bail out some asshole who is fucked through their own actions.  I want to see all drug laws abolished.  There is no fucking way I'm the least bit interested in paying for any jackass who can't hold his liquor or heroin.  NO not ensuring it's own safety was an act of utter selfishness.  "Oh, don't worry, Daddy will come if it gets bad."  Meanwhile, less stupid people are stupidly paying more to live off a known flood plain.  OY.
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You're just doing what the media has done, demonizing those that were left behind. The good and responsible folks are the ones that were able to leave, but the dumb and irresponsible are those that stayed. But you can't leave when you have nowhere to go and no way to get there.



They had ample opportunity to leave and numerous places to go.  Most of them.  It seems the fuckheads running the local government couldn't figure out that you had to evacuate nursing homes and hospitals in the eventuality of a big hurricane.  You know, the kind that had been predicted for decades.  That nobody had done anything about.  That there wasn't even an evac plan in place for.  Fucking morons is right.
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You're probably one of those folks that rather spend money on security measures such as protecting stores from being looted, instead of spending it on rescue operations.


Now why, in the aftermath of a giant hurricane that destroyed most of a city would anyone feel the need to steal a TV from a flooded store?  Shouldn't they be looting grocery stores, instead?  Or maybe it was just another opportunity for scummy people to behave scummily.  Excellent opportunity for shoot on sight Darwinism to take effect. Please provide any link wherein money was diverted from a rescue op to prevent looting. 

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Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.


:confused: You don't think it would've been possible to predict that the levees were going to break and flood NO? You don't think it would've been possible to send buses before the hurricane? You don't think it would've been possible to send enough helicopters to rescue those that were trapped? Not possible to bring enough food and water to the starving? Not possible to bring medical aid to the wounded? Not possible to send more buses to the shelterless? etc etc etc.


It was predicted.  Sensible people didn't live there.  Sensible people left.  Buses were drowned.  Not one person died of starvation.  Very few were killed at all.  Let me say this again.  Local responsibility.
LOCAL RESPONSIBILTY.  If there is none let's make them a protectorate and be done with the local retards, including the people.  Take their vote away.  They are clearly too stupid to have one.  They can be wards of the state and responsible for nothing that happens to them even though they've been warned for decades.
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How could this not be possible in the richest most powerful country in the world?

Its not a matter of money, its just a matter of will. And it seems that the political will at least, wasn't really there. And the way you make it out to be, the population's will wasn't really there either.


You are horribly mistaken.  It was all about money.  The assholes lived on a knife edge because the real estate was cheap.  Well, guess what?  They got cut.  Too bad.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: zappaisgod]
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Dude, sorry but you're not thinking straight. You don't just get a bike and ride away if you want to move from your house and with your family. You need money to move. You're not an idiot just because you continue living in a dangerous area. People did die from dehydration or lack of correct nutrition. You can't take someone's vote away because you say they're stupid.

You're saying lots, but you're not really getting anywhere.

What's your deal?

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
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I feel the lack of preparation was an act of negligence by the local and state gov'ts. I feel the slow response by the federal gov't was an act of negligence as well.

All gov't levels were to blame for what happened; it's just a matter of determining who was responsible for what.

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
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exclusive58 said: When you hear about the governor urging the population in NO to "pray the hurricane down" to a level two, you can't help but wonder wtf?



Brilliant!

This is the first time that I have heard of that quote, and you know, it doesn't really surprise me that she suggested that.

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