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White House Knew of Levee failure
    #5284939 - 02/10/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/10/politi.../N27tXsZB1G2TdA
It looks like everone droped the ball on this one.


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In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Bush administration officials said they had been caught by surprise when they were told on Tuesday, Aug. 30, that a levee had broken, allowing floodwaters to engulf New Orleans.

But Congressional investigators have now learned that an eyewitness account of the flooding from a federal emergency official reached the Homeland Security Department's headquarters starting at 9:27 p.m. the day before, and the White House itself at midnight.

Michael D. Brown, who was the director of FEMA until he resigned under pressure on Sept. 12, said in a telephone interview Thursday that he personally notified the White House of this news that night, though he declined to identify the official he spoke to.

White House officials have confirmed to Congressional investigators that the report of the levee break arrived there at midnight, and Trent Duffy, the White House spokesman, acknowledged as much in an interview this week, though he said it was surrounded with conflicting reports.

But the alert did not seem to register. Even the next morning, President Bush, on vacation in Texas, was feeling relieved that New Orleans had "dodged the bullet," he later recalled. Mr. Chertoff, similarly confident, flew Tuesday to Atlanta for a briefing on avian flu. With power out from the high winds and movement limited, even news reporters in New Orleans remained unaware of the full extent of the levee breaches until Tuesday.

The federal government let out a sigh of relief when in fact it should have been sounding an "all hands on deck" alarm, the investigators have found.




This has the potential of killing the Republicans in the elections.

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"There is no question in my mind that at the highest levels of the White House they understood how grave the situation was," Mr. Brown said in the interview.

The problem, he said, was the handicapping of FEMA when it was turned into a division of the Homeland Security Department in 2003.

"The real story is with this new structure," he said. "Why weren't more things done, or what prevented or delayed Mike




As far as M. Browns "understanding" goes; I can't say that I really have much faith in his sense of judgement, but we will see I guess.

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?Federal officials knew long before the storm showed up on the radar that 100,000 people in New Orleans had no way to escape a major hurricane on their own and that the city had finished only 10 percent of a plan for how to evacuate its largely poor, African-American population.




There is no excuse for the city of N.O. officials to have a plan only 10% in place when they have known about the possibility of this happening for many years now.

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?The Louisiana transportation secretary, Johnny B. Bradberry, who had legal responsibility for the evacuation of thousands of people in nursing homes and hospitals, admitted bluntly to investigators, "We put no plans in place to do any of this."




And why the Hell not Mr. Bradberry??? It was your fucking job after all!!

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Mr. Bradberry, the state transportation secretary, told an investigator that he had focused on improving the highway evacuation plan for the general public with cars and had not attended to his responsibility to remove people from hospitals and nursing homes. The state even turned down an offer for patient evacuation assistance from the federal government.

In fact, the city was desperately in need of help. And this failure would have deadly consequences. Only 21 of the 60 or so nursing homes were cleared of residents before the storm struck. Dozens of lives were lost in hospitals and nursing homes.




Bradburry, how do people like this ever get those positions to begin with?

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?Mayor C. Ray Nagin of New Orleans at first directed his staff to prepare a mandatory evacuation of his city on Saturday, two days before the storm hit, but he testified that he had not done so that day while he and other city officials struggled to decide if they should exempt hospitals and hotels from the order. The mandatory evacuation occurred on Sunday, and the delay exacerbated the difficulty in moving people away from the storm.




Does the words "indecisve " and "incompetence" come to mind here.

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?The New Orleans Police Department unit assigned to the rescue effort, despite many years' worth of flood warnings and requests for money, had just three small boats and no food, water or fuel to supply its emergency workers.




Wow.. Just Wow.

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?Investigators could find no evidence that food and water supplies were formally ordered for the Convention Center, where more than 10,000 evacuees had assembled, until days after the city had decided to open it as a backup emergency shelter. FEMA had planned to have 360,000 ready-to-eat meals delivered to the city and 15 trucks of water in advance of the storm. But only 40,000 meals and five trucks of water had arrived.




Why werent these supplies ordered for the Convention Center and who's fault is that?


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: gregorio]
    #5285076 - 02/10/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Everything Boils down to the HNIC. (Head Nigga In Charge) Bushy..


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: LynchBox810]
    #5285190 - 02/10/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I guess Kayne West was right.

Ok, seriously, it makes me wonder why they didn't act on this information. I can't see any motivation. I'm perplexed.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Twirling]
    #5285204 - 02/10/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This fucking war has takin so much attention and so many resources, let alone we have a total idiot as our president.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Twirling]
    #5285209 - 02/10/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They created the hurricane using weather machines, and didn't do anything because they needed to make money from the rise in oil prices.

And hell, why not displace some blacks while they're at it? Use those oil profits to buy up property at reduced rates. Redevelop the area into something nice.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: daimyo]
    #5285218 - 02/10/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

lol..don't even get me started on oil profits..


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: gregorio]
    #5285384 - 02/10/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the federal government had no business getting involved in that in the first place.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: wilshire]
    #5285555 - 02/10/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ummmmm...  last time I was in New Orleans (about 5 years ago), a seventy year old black jazz musician and I had a fairly indepth conversation about how the levees would never hold if there was a bad enough storm and how most of the city was below sea level. 

So, apparrently most of the black jazz comunity knew about the levee failures too!  Someone should file a class action lawsuit against those jazz musicians :rolleyes:


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5285834 - 02/10/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Ummmmm...  last time I was in New Orleans (about 5 years ago), a seventy year old black jazz musician and I had a fairly indepth conversation about how the levees would never hold if there was a bad enough storm and how most of the city was below sea level. 

So, apparrently most of the black jazz comunity knew about the levee failures too!  Someone should file a class action lawsuit against those jazz musicians :rolleyes:




So what you're saying is that even though the federal government could have done something and they're the ones in charge of emergencies and we all pay taxes for them to protect us from things like terrorists and disastors that require money for evacuation, we should just blame anybody that knew, regardless if it was their job to do something about it or not.  :rolleyes: You really go far out to try and protect your beloved federal government for their mistakes. And when the government makes mistakes (or on occasion does things and claim that are mistakes) it costs lives.  Human being lives. Why let them get away with it?


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: gregorio]
    #5285863 - 02/10/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If the national gov't knew about it, it is clear that the state and local governments knew about it as well. Unfortunately, they didn't do anything about it.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Twirling]
    #5285938 - 02/10/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What would you have them do about it? Wave the magic wand of Big Government and calm the tempest?


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5285993 - 02/10/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ofcoarse Mr. Brown is saying it was the Whitehouses fault because if it wasn't it would be his!

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5286016 - 02/10/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

All of this has already been discussed to death.

1. Of course the levees can fail, thats what levees do when they are overstressed. Everyone knew this, even NOLA residents as stated above.

2. You cannot completely evacuate a large city in 24, 48, or even 72 hours no matter how much money you throw at it. Evacuation requires man-power (real people) and that is simply not immediately available and it never will be.

3. Obviously Brown will try to shift the blame from himself to others. He has made it clear that he intends to pursue a career in disaster consulting.

4. The government made many errors but they aren't "getting away" with anything. This will all happen again the next time a disaster of this magnitude strikes and errors will again be made regardless of how prepared you think you are.

The bottom line is..buy 3 days worth of raman noodles, 2 milk jugs of water, 3 days worth of medication, a gun if you live in new orleans, put it in a plastic garbage bag and and stash it in the attic. If you get flooded out, float on a mattress to high-ground and you will be ok. You just cannot live your life day-to-day thinking that the government can bail an entire coastline out of any disaster within 24 hours. It will never happen, ever.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5286323 - 02/10/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Ummmmm...  last time I was in New Orleans (about 5 years ago), a seventy year old black jazz musician and I had a fairly indepth conversation about how the levees would never hold if there was a bad enough storm and how most of the city was below sea level. 

So, apparrently most of the black jazz comunity knew about the levee failures too!  Someone should file a class action lawsuit against those jazz musicians :rolleyes:




So what you're saying is that even though the federal government could have done something and they're the ones in charge of emergencies and we all pay taxes for them to protect us from things like terrorists and disastors that require money for evacuation, we should just blame anybody that knew, regardless if it was their job to do something about it or not.  :rolleyes: You really go far out to try and protect your beloved federal government for their mistakes. And when the government makes mistakes (or on occasion does things and claim that are mistakes) it costs lives.  Human being lives. Why let them get away with it?




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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Catalysis]
    #5286327 - 02/10/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I blame the red states!


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: LynchBox810]
    #5286493 - 02/10/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Whether the white house knew what was going to happen in NO or not, I think its clear they wouldn't have cared either way.

Its not the first time that New Orleans is hit by a natural disaster, and amazingly, the first time in 1927 the government reacted exactly like it did the second time. Where's our Huey Long?:

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Friday, September 2, 2005

The National Public Radio news anchor was so excited I thought she'd piss on herself: the President of the United States had flown his plane down to 1700 feet to get a better look at the flood damage! And there was a photo of our Commander-in-Chief taken looking out the window. He looked very serious and concerned.

That was yesterday. Today he played golf. No kidding.

I'm sure the people of New Orleans would have liked to show their appreciation for the official Presidential photo-strafing, but their surface-to-air missiles were wet.

There is nothing new under the sun. In 1927, a Republican President had his photo taken as the Mississippi rolled over New Orleans. Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover promised to rebuild the state. They didn't. Instead, They left to play golf with Ken Lay or the Ken Lay railroad baron equivalent of their day.

In 1927, the Democratic Party had died and was awaiting burial. As depression approached, the coma-Dems, like Franklin Roosevelt, called for balancing the budget.

Then, as the waters rose, one politician finally said, roughly, "Screw this! They're lying! The President's lying! The rich fat cats that are drowning you will do it again and again and again. They lead you into imperialist wars for profit, they take away your schools and your hope and when you complain, they blame Blacks and Jews and immigrants. Then they push your kids under. I say, Kick'm in the ass and take your rightful share!"

Huey Long laid out a plan: a progressive income tax, real money for education, public works to rebuild Louisiana and America, an end to wars for empire, and an end to financial oligarchy. The waters receded, the anger did not, and Huey "Kingfish" Long was elected Governor of Louisiana in 1928.

At the time, Louisiana schools were free, but not the textbooks. Governor Long taxed Big Oil to pay for the books. Rockefeller's oil companies refused pay the textbook tax, so Long ordered the National Guard to seize Standard Oil's fields in the Delta.

Huey Long was called a "demagogue" and a "dictator." Of course. Because it was Huey Long who established the concept that a government of the people must protect the people, school, house, and feed them and give every man or woman a job who needs one.

Government, he said, "We The People," not plutocrats nor Halliburtons, must build bridges and levees to keep the waters from rising over our heads. All we had to do was share the nation's wealth we created as a nation. But that meant facing down what he called the "concentrations of monopoly power" to finance the needs of the public.

In other words, Huey Long founded the modern Democratic Party. Franklin Roosevelt and the party establishment, scared senseless of Long's ineluctable march to the White House, adopted his program, called it the New Deal, and later The New Frontier and the Great Society.

America and the party prospered.

America could use a Democratic Party again and there's a rumor it's alive -- somewhere.

And now is the moment, as it was in '27. As the bodies float in the streets of New Orleans, now is not the time for the Democrats to shirk and slink away, bleating they can't "politicize" this avoidable disaster.

Seventy years ago this week, Huey Long was shot down, assassinated at the age of 43. But the legacy of his combat remains, from Social Security to veterans' mortgage loans.





Bush Strafes New Orleans.Where is our Huey Long?


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
    #5286686 - 02/10/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ah yes, Greg Palast. What would we do without his creative history?

Memo to exclusive58, the Democrats have run New Orleans for decades. I don't know how things are run in your country but here the federal government is not responsible for everything. Nor do we want it to be.

You do know Huey Long was astonishingly corrupt don't you?

"His efforts in Louisiana were the subject of an IRS investigation; he had increased annual state government expenditure three-fold and the state debt over ten-fold. In 1929, he was impeached on charges of bribery and gross misconduct, but the state senate failed to convict him by a narrow margin of two votes. It was often alleged that Long had concentrated power to the point where he had become a dictator of sorts; this was unprecedented."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: LynchBox810]
    #5287445 - 02/10/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything Boils down to the HNIC. (Head Nigga In Charge) Bushy..




Actually it doesn't. And this is not to say that the Feds are to be held without blame. But the failures on the local and state level are what caused most of the problems.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Catalysis]
    #5287766 - 02/11/06 01:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Catalysis said:All of this has already been discussed to death.




True. And it will continue to be because the Demo's in NO and LA REFUSE to accept any and all responsibility for their failures.

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Nox1]
    #5287815 - 02/11/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have never seen this discussed:

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?The Louisiana transportation secretary, Johnny B. Bradberry, who had legal responsibility for the evacuation of thousands of people in nursing homes and hospitals, admitted bluntly to investigators, "We put no plans in place to do any of this."
Mr. Bradberry, the state transportation secretary, told an investigator that he had focused on improving the highway evacuation plan for the general public with cars and had not attended to his responsibility to remove people from hospitals and nursing homes. The state even turned down an offer for patient evacuation assistance from the federal government.

In fact, the city was desperately in need of help. And this failure would have deadly consequences. Only 21 of the 60 or so nursing homes were cleared of residents before the storm struck. Dozens of lives were lost in hospitals and nursing homes.





There is more in that article that I havn't see discussed as well. As far as I know.

We have all heard about the nursing homes; but read his quote again, this is new.

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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5288117 - 02/11/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

At least Huey Long was honest about it, contrarily to practically all politicians.

"People say I steal. Well, all politicians steal. I steal. But a lot of what I stole has spilled over in no-toll bridges, hospitals . . . and to build this university." -- speech at Louisiana State University

Here's another quote for you:

"The only difference I ever found between the Democratic leadership and the Republican leadership is that one of them is skinning you from the ankle up and the other, from the neck down."

But the original point I was trying to make is that, when NO was hit by a disastrous river flood in 1927, the politicians cared not one single bit about the poor black neighborhoods and actually sacrificed them in order to save the rich white neighborhoods from being damaged.

Government for the people, my ass.

I'm making a new post about this.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5288364 - 02/11/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
Ummmmm...  last time I was in New Orleans (about 5 years ago), a seventy year old black jazz musician and I had a fairly indepth conversation about how the levees would never hold if there was a bad enough storm and how most of the city was below sea level. 

So, apparrently most of the black jazz comunity knew about the levee failures too!  Someone should file a class action lawsuit against those jazz musicians :rolleyes:




So what you're saying is that even though the federal government could have done something and they're the ones in charge of emergencies and we all pay taxes for them to protect us from things like terrorists and disastors that require money for evacuation, we should just blame anybody that knew, regardless if it was their job to do something about it or not.  :rolleyes: You really go far out to try and protect your beloved federal government for their mistakes. And when the government makes mistakes (or on occasion does things and claim that are mistakes) it costs lives.  Human being lives. Why let them get away with it?




No, what I'm saying is that everyone has a responsibility to themselves not to put themselves in that kind of position.  Eveyone in NO knew what was up.  And I'm sure they enjoyed the cheap rent that came with the risk that they were knowingly taking.  Property values in NO are low for a reason.  Beacause its the dumbest place in the world to build on or inhabit.  The residents knew that, and the CHOSE to inhabit it anyway.  Now, if someone chooses to smoke cigarettes and gets cancer, do you think the feds should step in and help him out, too?  Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.  So the moral of the story is, don't expect uncle sam to bail you out when you build your house on quicksand.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5288429 - 02/11/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Bingo.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5288561 - 02/11/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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No, what I'm saying is that everyone has a responsibility to themselves not to put themselves in that kind of position.  Eveyone in NO knew what was up.  And I'm sure they enjoyed the cheap rent that came with the risk that they were knowingly taking.  Property values in NO are low for a reason.  Beacause its the dumbest place in the world to build on or inhabit.  The residents knew that, and the CHOSE to inhabit it anyway.  Now, if someone chooses to smoke cigarettes and gets cancer, do you think the feds should step in and help him out, too?  Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.  So the moral of the story is, don't expect uncle sam to bail you out when you build your house on quicksand.




So the victims are just a bunch of idiots huh? That's basically what you're saying.

You know, there are reasons why people live there. Two of them is because they were born there and they don't have the means to go anywhere else. But that's just their own damn problem huh? Fuck.

You're just doing what the media has done, demonizing those that were left behind. The good and responsible folks are the ones that were able to leave, but the dumb and irresponsible are those that stayed. But you can't leave when you have nowhere to go and no way to get there.

You're probably one of those folks that rather spend money on security measures such as protecting stores from being looted, instead of spending it on rescue operations.


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Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.




:confused: You don't think it would've been possible to predict that the levees were going to break and flood NO? You don't think it would've been possible to send buses before the hurricane? You don't think it would've been possible to send enough helicopters to rescue those that were trapped? Not possible to bring enough food and water to the starving? Not possible to bring medical aid to the wounded? Not possible to send more buses to the shelterless? etc etc etc.

How could this not be possible in the richest most powerful country in the world?

Its not a matter of money, its just a matter of will. And it seems that the political will at least, wasn't really there. And the way you make it out to be, the population's will wasn't really there either.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
    #5288606 - 02/11/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, they should have been evacuated (by force, if necessary) and the levees should have been mended.

Neither of these things should have been the responsibility of the national government. Those type of situations should be taken care of by the state and local gov'ts.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
    #5288630 - 02/11/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

sorry, I've seen too many FEMA emergency ATM cards used to purchase lap dances and gold jewelry to have a lot of sympathy. In dallas, we've had a lot of refugees come through here, or as I like to cal it "The Cajun Crime Wave".


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: Redstorm]
    #5288687 - 02/11/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe. I'm not too sure who's responsibility it should have been, but I know it should've been someone's responsibility.

And if you think it should've been the local government's responsibility, well it sure didn't think so itself. When you hear about the governor urging the population in NO to "pray the hurricane down" to a level two, you can't help but wonder wtf?

What do you think yourself? Do you think there was an actual lack of will to help these people out?


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5288691 - 02/11/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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So the victims are just a bunch of idiots huh? That's basically what you're saying.





What the hell, I'll chime in.  Yep, they're fucking idiots, just like the morons who continue to live on the Mississippi River flood plain.  He's dead right about why real estate is so cheap there and why no private insurance company will cover them.  The old part of the city survived quite fine.  The rest, not so well.  Why, in your opinion, should someone who lives in Ohio subsidize, through federal flood insurance and levee construction, some jerk who decides to live in NO seeing as how they've been fucking warned for decades?  Local issue, local expense.
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You know, there are reasons why people live there. Two of them is because they were born there and they don't have the means to go anywhere else. But that's just their own damn problem huh? Fuck.




I call total bullshit on this one.  It doesn't cost shit to move.  Really.  Get on your bike and ride.  It's easy.  Unless you have totally fucked your situation in other ways.  Like 3 babies you can't support anyway no matter where you are.  Mobility in this country is astonishing until you take it away from yourself.  Tell me again why I need to bail out some asshole who is fucked through their own actions.  I want to see all drug laws abolished.  There is no fucking way I'm the least bit interested in paying for any jackass who can't hold his liquor or heroin.  NO not ensuring it's own safety was an act of utter selfishness.  "Oh, don't worry, Daddy will come if it gets bad."  Meanwhile, less stupid people are stupidly paying more to live off a known flood plain.  OY.
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You're just doing what the media has done, demonizing those that were left behind. The good and responsible folks are the ones that were able to leave, but the dumb and irresponsible are those that stayed. But you can't leave when you have nowhere to go and no way to get there.




They had ample opportunity to leave and numerous places to go.  Most of them.  It seems the fuckheads running the local government couldn't figure out that you had to evacuate nursing homes and hospitals in the eventuality of a big hurricane.  You know, the kind that had been predicted for decades.  That nobody had done anything about.  That there wasn't even an evac plan in place for.  Fucking morons is right.
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You're probably one of those folks that rather spend money on security measures such as protecting stores from being looted, instead of spending it on rescue operations.




Now why, in the aftermath of a giant hurricane that destroyed most of a city would anyone feel the need to steal a TV from a flooded store?  Shouldn't they be looting grocery stores, instead?  Or maybe it was just another opportunity for scummy people to behave scummily.  Excellent opportunity for shoot on sight Darwinism to take effect. Please provide any link wherein money was diverted from a rescue op to prevent looting. 

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Really it doesnt matter how much power or authority or money you give to the government; they are still bound by what is humanly possible.




:confused: You don't think it would've been possible to predict that the levees were going to break and flood NO? You don't think it would've been possible to send buses before the hurricane? You don't think it would've been possible to send enough helicopters to rescue those that were trapped? Not possible to bring enough food and water to the starving? Not possible to bring medical aid to the wounded? Not possible to send more buses to the shelterless? etc etc etc.




It was predicted.  Sensible people didn't live there.  Sensible people left.  Buses were drowned.  Not one person died of starvation.  Very few were killed at all.  Let me say this again.  Local responsibility.
LOCAL RESPONSIBILTY.  If there is none let's make them a protectorate and be done with the local retards, including the people.  Take their vote away.  They are clearly too stupid to have one.  They can be wards of the state and responsible for nothing that happens to them even though they've been warned for decades.
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How could this not be possible in the richest most powerful country in the world?

Its not a matter of money, its just a matter of will. And it seems that the political will at least, wasn't really there. And the way you make it out to be, the population's will wasn't really there either.




You are horribly mistaken.  It was all about money.  The assholes lived on a knife edge because the real estate was cheap.  Well, guess what?  They got cut.  Too bad.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5288757 - 02/11/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, sorry but you're not thinking straight. You don't just get a bike and ride away if you want to move from your house and with your family. You need money to move. You're not an idiot just because you continue living in a dangerous area. People did die from dehydration or lack of correct nutrition. You can't take someone's vote away because you say they're stupid.

You're saying lots, but you're not really getting anywhere.

What's your deal?


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
    #5289198 - 02/11/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I feel the lack of preparation was an act of negligence by the local and state gov'ts. I feel the slow response by the federal gov't was an act of negligence as well.

All gov't levels were to blame for what happened; it's just a matter of determining who was responsible for what.


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Re: White House Knew of Levee failure [Re: exclusive58]
    #5298114 - 02/14/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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exclusive58 said: When you hear about the governor urging the population in NO to "pray the hurricane down" to a level two, you can't help but wonder wtf?





Brilliant!

This is the first time that I have heard of that quote, and you know, it doesn't really surprise me that she suggested that.

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