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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: Asante]
    #5265690 - 02/05/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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there was alot of successful work with LSD psychotherapy, and the reports on severely psychotic children under the age of 10 who were given controlled LSD sessions are VERY VERY interesting, and fairly successful too.. so to say to *never* give anyone with schizophrenia a psychadelic is wrong.





That's a misunderstanding. It's not the psychedelic that causes benefit, but rather the intensive therapy facilitated by the psychedelic outweighs the aggrevating effects of the drug on the psychosis.





That may (possibly) be the case with something like MDMA, but try having a therapy session when your patient is on 1000ug of LSD... Or when they're completely catatonic. It's true that there is a lot of supervision involved and that the sessions are intensive but most of the actual therapy is done between sessions and focuses on assisting the patient with analyzing and integrating their experiences. Most of the time the patient is under the actual pharmacological influence of the LSD, they are advised to stay in a reclined position with eye shades and headphones, though they are allowed to do pretty much anything they please if they absolutely want to.

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The basic message of psychedelics is: "what you thought was solid isn't solid at all so now you got to work at it." This is the wrong thing to do to a psychotic individual.



"The basic message of psychedelics" could be the subject of several thousand threads, but even if what you say is true, calling into question the solidity of the reality they are holding onto might be the only way to get certain patients to release their hold on their "false reality" after which they can be guided back towards a vision of reality more conducive to constructive living.

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Antipsychotic drugs will do that, and these drugs wipe psychedelics out.




Anti-psychotic drugs are fairly effective at relieving symptoms of psychosis often with almost as debilitating side-effects. Still, they often enough don't work and they in general do not repress symptoms for much longer than they are used. There are plenty of negative side-effects of LSD psychotherapy but the end benefits are lasting.


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Re: my schizofrenic friend (who got it from doing hallucinogens) is going to smoke salvia [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5280628 - 02/09/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

woah i never said that, i said itd be bad yo.


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