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Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons?
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Somebody tell me when has a government declared to the world they were planning to build nuclear weapons? Especially in the last 25 years or so?

Iran told the world they were restarting their nuclear program and many believe its goals are be to construct nuclear weapons. The only logical outcomes of this are:

A: Iran has no plans to build weapons and see that they sit on a goldmine of oil and want to sell it, not have thier bulging population and economy rely on it. Everybody knows you don't smoke your own stash....


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B: Iran already has nukes and are testing the waters of global reaction. They know nobody ain't gonna do shit about it, too. Isreal can bomb a nuclear reactor or two and then Iran can use that excuse to justify their owning nukes to the world. Who would plan on building weapons and then draw attention to their suspect program to do it with? This has never happened in history to my knowledge. If you want a nuke you don't tell people beforehand.




My choice is B. Iran has nukes. Get over it. I feel most of the world leaders think this and thats why they do nothing because they can't do anything. See N Korea. They have nukes and they are attempting to be able to create/hold them in public eye to appear more powerful and join the "nuclear club"


I don't care. Let them have em. We allow pakistan and isreal to have 'em. America has 'em. Save me the reactionary "Iran's leader is insane" bullshit. He's said stupid-ass things and is a stupidass but he is a politician and that is what they. It is their only reliable output. Its part of the game. His government is concerned with one thing first, retaining power and keeping Iran significant (and therefore their power). The best way to never see any power again is to go nuke isreal unprovoked. We all, including that insane boogeyman, the evil demon that is the Iranian government, know what the reaction to that would be.


Such is the outcome of the way Nuclear weapons are regulated on this planet. It's like gun control. If they are outlawed the only people with 'em will be the criminals.


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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
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You left out C... the technology needed to produce fuel for a nuclear bomb is the same technology needed to produce fuel for a nuclear reactor. If Iran gets caught researching this technology in secret, the world (including Russia and China) will all stand against Iran because they are obviously researching for a bomb. If they come out into the open claiming to research this technology for reactor fuel, then they split the world opinion... those that believe them, and those that don't.


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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: Seuss]
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you leave out option D. that irans president already has them, and is going to use them. Suppose hes crazy enough to actually nuke Israel, would any nuke them back? Maybe, but maybe not no one wants all out nuclear war. Sure his country would be invaded but maybe he has alliances with other leaders that no one knows about? Russia and Iran are very close, and china and Russia are too. In fact Russia and China actually came out and said that we shouldnt be so quick to slap sacntions on Iran.

My point is that Iran is a huge wild card, and if they have nukes already(which is a good possibility) do we really want to piss them off?

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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: blaze2]
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where and how would they have gotten nuclear weapons? And why would they bother restarting their nuclear program if the weapons are already in possession?

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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: Vvellum]
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they have been working on their program before restarting for 20 years now. I am well aware that it takes a very long time for the production of nuclear fuel, but they are a terrorist state and nuclear bombs from russia have gone missing suppose they found some on the black market. No one really knows of course and everyone is just guessing, even you man.

as for why they would "restart" their program. I dont know could be alot of reasons, not the least of which would be simply that it buys them more time for whatever their real intentions are. by acting like they dont have even the capability to make nuclear fuel for energy most people assume they couldnt possibly have nukes yet.

heres my logic that there is more to it than them just wanting to have nukes for bargaining. They dont need them, for that they have massive amounts of oil that all of western civilization depend on. In my opinion if they are attempting to produce, or already have, nukes they have some specific use in mind for them. Probrobly Israel in my opinion. They are taunting the world saying come on bring it well take whatever you can throw at us. if the whole point of their nuclear fuel bullshit is so they can have the bomb(which is the assumption) why would they be asking for invasions and bombings, unless they already have them, and want an excuse to use them. peace

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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: Seuss]
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They had this technology decades ago before Isreal bombed them the first time. It's not like it was all convientiently placed in one place so Isreal could put the whole program up in smoke. I have no doubt some of the materials remained from back then and in the meantime Iran has been able to gather and develop nuclear technology. Its not like all their scientists got bombed too.

Whats the difference between Iran and, say, India or Pakistan. They didn't develop weapons out in the open and then all of a sudden *poof* they got 'em. You seem to have a pretty good grasp on the technical side of this so I ask you what is the difference between those two examples and Iran?


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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: blaze2]
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would any nuke them back?


Everybody would, even France.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/20/france.chirac.nuclear.ap/index.html


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Russia and Iran are very close, and china and Russia are too


Maybe so, but Iran doesn't buy all of CHina's shit. We do. Iran and Russia can't keep China's economy as strong as it is. They need the west for thier economy. In the event of an unprovoked nuclear attack, or even a provoked nuclear attack, I seriously doubt China or Russia would stand up to the west for Iran. ITs not in their best interest.



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They dont need them, for that they have massive amounts of oil that all of western civilization depend on. In my opinion if they are attempting to produce, or already have, nukes they have some specific use in mind for them.


Oil doesn't deter people from invading countries. It didn't help Saddam very much. Nukes, however do. Nukes are a sure-fire way to keep people from NOT invading you country. If IRan had a half dozen nukes think what they could do to AMerican ground forces in Iraq right now let alone an invading army.

That threat alone will keep America and the west from screwing around with Iran b/c anything short of a massive air campiagn would be useless if they got the bomb. reduce the place to rubble and you still can't set foot on Iranian soil with a respectable army. All this radical posturing is to give the idea that Iranian gov would nuke if put up against the wall. It's for the purpose of letting everybody know that Iran won't fuck around if anybody starts talking of invasion or military action.


Also, AMerica can't play their little proxy government game by supporting neo-liberal dictators (as we have over and over again in the past) in a coup because when nuclear weapons are involved stability becomes a little more important.


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why would they be asking for invasions and bombings, unless they already have them, and want an excuse to use them


Why does any country have nukes? MAD for one thing. Nobody would have the balls to invade Iran just becasue they got the bomb


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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
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I don't normally trust our intelligence capabilities, but in this case I believe the CIA. Iran does not have nukes. It's too important for us NOT to know yes/no.

I don't care. Let them have em.

If a nutbag lived next door to you and had threatened to kill your child and you knew he was planning to buy a gun would you care?

Iran's President says Israel should be wiped off the map + Iran wants nukes = no-brainer. They must not be allowed to have nukes. Period.


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Re: Why would Iran DECLARE to restart their nuclear program if they PLAN to get weapons? [Re: blaze2]
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You guys are forgetting option E. The leaders of Iran, Isreal and the United States should all be forced to take MDMA together and sort this thing out.








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