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Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help.
    #4209388 - 05/23/05 10:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=aFUCyXuJD8mM&refer=latin_america

Venezuela to Seek Nuclear Power With Iran's Help, Chavez Says
May 22 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuela President Hugo Chavez said he plans to seek Iran's help to develop a nuclear energy program.

``It's one of the ways to diversify energy sources,'' Chavez said in a televised speech in Caracas. ``But not to make bombs.''

Chavez did not elaborate on plans for the nuclear program or what help Iran might provide.

Chavez in March said Iran can count on his support in its confrontation with U.S. over its nuclear program. The U.S. has accused Iran of disguising its nuclear activities, including uranium enrichment, as a cover for building a nuclear bomb.

``I'm sure Iran is not making an atomic bomb,'' Chavez said. ``They're doing research to advance science.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4209428 - 05/23/05 11:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I bet the White House is loving this.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4209452 - 05/23/05 11:30 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> I bet the White House is loving this.

Actually, they probably are... the US might hold off going into NK and Iran, but this would be a neo-con wet dream of an excuse to go in to Venezula and Cuba both.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Seuss]
    #4209515 - 05/23/05 11:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

there is no way in hell the US is going into Venezuela.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Seuss]
    #4209592 - 05/23/05 12:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> I bet the White House is loving this.

Actually, they probably are... the US might hold off going into NK and Iran, but this would be a neo-con wet dream of an excuse to go in to Venezula and Cuba both.






YES YES YES YES YES

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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Doom]
    #4209650 - 05/23/05 12:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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there is no way in hell the US is going into Venezuela.




Oh, I wouldn't be so sure of that one. Tom Friedman in the NYTimes a week ago or so pointed out that NK is largely China's to deal with, i.e. if they choose to they can, if they don't we can't do much short of extreme measures. Likewise Iran and Europe. Venezuela on the other hand is a little bit too close and it might be best to make an example to our near neighbors that "No, I don't think so" will be our response to any nuclear ambitions. Nuclear for energy? In Venezuela? Same bullshit as Iran. They have more oil than they could possibly need.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Seuss]
    #4209759 - 05/23/05 01:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

exactly


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Seuss]
    #4210703 - 05/23/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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> I bet the White House is loving this.

Actually, they probably are... the US might hold off going into NK and Iran, but this would be a neo-con wet dream of an excuse to go in to Venezula and Cuba both.




An "excuse", huh? And just what do you think would be an appropriate response? Are you regretful that Cuba does not have nukes today? Is that your idea of a good thing, Cuba with nukes to balance the evil empire?

I wouldn't worry too much about whacko Hugo. He has very powerful enemies in his own country and the people there nearly recalled him not to long ago.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4212367 - 05/24/05 12:22 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I bet the White House is loving this.




Yep, it's like an excuse in a glass case. "Break when in need of justification".

Hey, I don't blame any country for not wanting nukes after "Operation Iraqi Liberation".







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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Learyfan]
    #4213516 - 05/24/05 11:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

> Yep, it's like an excuse in a glass case. "Break when in need of justification".

exactly.

> there is no way in hell the US is going into Venezuela.

... just like the US never invaded panama, or grenada, or somalia, or afganistan, or iraq, or ...


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Seuss]
    #4213731 - 05/24/05 12:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

which of those countries had a populist leader with a solid international reputation>?


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Seuss]
    #4213894 - 05/24/05 01:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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just like the US never invaded panama, or grenada, or somalia, or afganistan, or iraq, or ...




In its eternal run of dismal failures

Look at those countries - just look at the glory of US liberation for the average man.

Great stuff :tongue:


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4213930 - 05/24/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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NK is largely China's to deal with, i.e. if they choose to they can, if they don't we can't do much short of extreme measures. Likewise Iran and Europe. Venezuela on the other hand is a little bit too close




Eh? Why suddenly is Iran nice and far away yet its neighbour Iraq was way too close?

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An "excuse", huh? And just what do you think would be an appropriate response?




Civility? Respect?.....sorry those are not US government policies, never have been. hence the ever growing backlash by the downtrodden.

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Nuclear for energy? In Venezuela? Same bullshit as Iran. They have more oil than they could possibly need




Freedom for people? In Iraq? Same bullshit as ever. They have all the oil the US will ever need.


I mean for fucks sake man - the oil will run out. Just because Venuzuela don't want to make the same mistakes as the greedy Americans and use theirs up way ahead of schedule through ill considered binging. It is very sensible to use the oil as slowly as possible and for plastics etc while pure energy needs can be met by other resources such as nuclear. Thats called having a brain - wheras the American approach of using it all as quickly as possible then stealing everyone elses...thats called greed.

:rocket: Gets to a certain point when people just start saying fuck you....


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Doom]
    #4214098 - 05/24/05 02:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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there is no way in hell the US is going into Venezuela.




...but yet, the US is involved in Colombia. Ever hear of Plan Colombia?


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4214324 - 05/24/05 03:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Oil production has been down and even Chavez has recently admitted it in public. The number of people living in poverty is increasing. Chavez is going to take that country down the toilet.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Doom]
    #4215528 - 05/24/05 07:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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which of those countries had a populist leader with a solid international reputation>?




This is just absurd. He was nearly recalled by his own people. Solid international reputation? Yeah, Castro respects his ability to survive. Please, buy a clue.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4215563 - 05/24/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

...so? are you advocating US intervention of some sort?


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: CJay]
    #4215787 - 05/24/05 08:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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NK is largely China's to deal with, i.e. if they choose to they can, if they don't we can't do much short of extreme measures. Likewise Iran and Europe. Venezuela on the other hand is a little bit too close




Eh? Why suddenly is Iran nice and far away yet its neighbour Iraq was way too close?

A non sequitor.  There were other reasons beside proximity for Iraq.  Just what do YOU think should be done about NK?  And just what do you think can be done about NK without China?  And just what do you think should be done Iran?  And just what do you think we can do about Iran without Europe?  Argue the fucking point without mentioning Iraq.  It's irrelevant.
 
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An "excuse", huh? And just what do you think would be an appropriate response?




Civility? Respect?.....sorry those are not US government policies, never have been. hence the ever growing backlash by the downtrodden.

Civility and respect?????  What the fuck are you talking about?
Whatever problems the people of NK and Iran have are their own government's doing.  Iran invaded our embassy and held hostages for over a year.  Maybe if we had done the ugly thing then we wouldn't be in this pussified mess now.  NK?  That should have been finished in the 50s but we backed off from China.  MacArthur was right.  Half measures don't work.  Just what the fuck do you mean by civility and respect?  Not say mean things?


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Nuclear for energy? In Venezuela? Same bullshit as Iran. They have more oil than they could possibly need




Freedom for people? In Iraq? Same bullshit as ever. They have all the oil the US will ever need.

Once again, Iraq is not relevant.  Can you follow a point?  Venezuela has no need for nuclear energy.  Nor does Iran, or Iraq or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Mexico or Nigeria.  Any nuclear program in Venezuela is about one thing and it's not energy.  If they are that worried about their future oil needs they can STOP SELLING THEIR OIL.

I mean for fucks sake man - the oil will run out. Just because Venuzuela don't want to make the same mistakes as the greedy Americans and use theirs up way ahead of schedule through ill considered binging. It is very sensible to use the oil as slowly as possible and for plastics etc while pure energy needs can be met by other resources such as nuclear. Thats called having a brain - wheras the American approach of using it all as quickly as possible then stealing everyone elses...thats called greed.

Buying is not stealing.  When you go to your local 7-11 and put down your money and they give you bubble gum you will not be arrested.  When you go and take the bubble gum without paying you will.  There is a significant difference.  Comprende?  That's called having a brain.
I have no problem with conservation and I think we should burn the oil they sell us until it's gone.  Has nothing to do with their motivation for nuclear energy.  They want nuclear weapons.  Is that Ok with you and if it isn't what would YOU do about it


:rocket: Gets to a certain point when people just start saying fuck you....




That was rather cuntish.


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4215795 - 05/24/05 08:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Only if they invade Brazil


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Re: Venezuela to seek Nuclear Power with Iran's Help. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4216586 - 05/25/05 12:21 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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...so? are you advocating US intervention of some sort?




Not at all, unless you call cutting all aid to them intervention. He is no friend of America, and I think that he is a dangerous man. I don't think that my tax dollars should go to support any aspect of his regime.

I think that he will implode. He cleaned out the high posts of a reportedly efficient state run oil company and replaced them with his cronies. Reinvestment in oil infrastructure has been diverted to other causes, and oil production is off dramatically. He is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs.

He recently said that he wants to renegotiate his foreign debt. He doesn't want to pay it. But if he isn't spending their own money on oil infrastructure he is making the country even more dependent on foreign investment. If he defaults on the debt, don't look for any new investors.

In the 80's, 75% of the population was considered middle class. Today, 85% live in poverty. After Oil, Tourism was the next big dog for the economy. That has fallen dramatically. The country has general unrest, riots, people being killed by the government, protests, what have you. People aren't going to vacation there.

He is taking that country down the shit hole. It is sad.


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