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Free document on Free energy
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I have a very interesting document on Free Energy.

If you're open-minded and wish to recieve this document just PM me your e-mail address.

Hopefully somebody can solve this energy crisis...


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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Also see this site:

For example, Johnson argues that the magnetic forces in a permanent magnet represent superconductance that is akin to phenomena normally associated only with extremely cold superconducting systems. He argues that a magnet is a room temperature superconducting system because the electron flow does not cease, and because this electron flow can be made to do work. And for those who pooh- pooh the idea that permanent magnets do work, Johnson has an answer: "You come along with a magnet and pick up a piece of iron, then some physicist says you didn't do any work because you used that magnet. But you moved a mass through a distance. Right? That's work that requires energy. Or you can hold one magnet in the air indefinitely by positioning it over another magnet with like poles facing. The physicist will argue that because it involves magnetic repulsion, no work is done. Yet if you support the same object with air, they will agree in a minute that work is done!"

http://www.rexresearch.com/johnson/1johnson.htm


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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http://www.hfml.ru.nl/pics/Movies/frog.mpg

Heres an example of diamagnetics - a levitating frog!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetic

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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>But you moved a mass through a distance. Right?

Right. How many times? 1 time. After that one time, the "device" doesn't do anything without you putting work to it.

So where is this free energy?


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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The physicist will argue that because it involves magnetic repulsion, no work is done. Yet if you support the same object with air, they will agree in a minute that work is done!

Supporting something on a fixed-magnet field is like putting the object on a table. The system reaches static equilibrium and when that happens, no more work is done. No work is required to keep a book on a table.

Supporting an object with air is what a helicopter does. Work is done in that case because an acceleration is imparted onto an endless stream of air molecules. That acceleration is eventually converted to heat and the energy is dissipated.

Perpetual motion machines are not possible. The best you will ever achieve is slightly less than unity gain. This means that in all cases, the machine will require at best slightly more energy to operate than it generates.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, or so the saying goes.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (01/13/06 04:47 PM)

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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I don't want to argue with you because you can never accept anything thats outside of the box - but here goes anyway...

If I hold a magnet above an iron filing - the magnet pulls the iron filing against gravity through the air.

There is obviously work being done as something has the power to move the iron and it can only be the magnet working.

Science doesn't accept this because it doesn't want to - but thats how it is.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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The free energy is in the one time, as you state yourself.

It hasn't been harnessed because the power and money hungry economy would collapse if we didn't sell energy - this is well known.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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Please explain how the person in the link I give has managed to achieve a patent?

They won't give patents for devices that don't work.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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Another example of free energy -

The Earth spinning round perpetually, electrons spinning round atoms perpetually - where does your science logic explain the energy for these?

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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danoEoboy said:
where does your science logic explain the energy for these?

The earth might be viewed as perpetual motion simply because it runs for a long time. It actually runs down slowly. An extra second was added to the time in 2005 to make up for this slow down. Earth rotation is only "perpetual" in the sense that it can outlast a person's life or memory.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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If I hold a magnet above an iron filing - the magnet pulls the iron filing against gravity through the air.

There is obviously work being done as something has the power to move the iron and it can only be the magnet working.

You're right, but what you're missing is that once the filing reaches the magnet, no more work is done. To do more work, you would have to expend work to remove the filing against the magnet's pull and place it back where it started.

Now, you can use the magnet the same way again to pull the filing, but the work you spent putting the filing back will always be equal to the moving of the filing PLUS the energy used by the tool or your fingers in removing the filing.

In the end, you spend more energy making the system work than the system generates.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (01/14/06 08:51 AM)

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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The Earth spinning round perpetually

The Earth doesn't spin perpetually. It is slowing down and will eventually stop, though it will take longer than our lifetime.

This is no different than spinning a top. It will spin for a while using the energy you imparted onto it, but it MUST always lose energy to friction with the surface it's spinning on and to the air.

When enough energy dissipates, it will stop.

electrons spinning round atoms

Electrons don't spin around an atom. This is an outdated idea. In fact, electrons don't even have a definite position. The behavior of very small things like atoms is nothing like the behavior of large things in our everyday world.

It hasn't been harnessed because the power and money hungry economy would collapse if we didn't sell energy - this is well known.

This doesn't make sense. Anyone who discovers a free source of energy would have no trouble raising venture capital to manufacture the free energy machines.

Besides, if the guy in your article really found a source of free energy, why hasn't he changed the world yet? The patent was issued in 1979; you'd think he'd have something to show for it by now. And don't give me the government suppression of information conspiracy theory; you just said the government issued him a patent.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (01/13/06 05:32 PM)

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: DieCommie]
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>Please explain how the person in the link I give has managed to achieve a patent?

Something doesn't have to work to receive a patent. The above device was patented 32 years ago. Still doesn't work.

Read
http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html on the long history of such devices, yet none works.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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Correct me if im wrong, but I don't think these are supposed to be receiving patents under current patent law. I think it is part of the game to sneak them through.


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Catalysis]
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"The USPTO has granted a few patents for motors that are claimed to run without net energy input. These patents were issued because it was not obvious from the patent that a perpetual motion machine was being claimed."


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Ego Death]
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You might want to read up on a similar device, the Lutec motor:
http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm

and how they were unable to prove their claims:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec1.pdf
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/lutec2.pdf


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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Anno]
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Anno is right!
To date, No patented or proposed a device with over unity gain has proven successful.
Unless you consider Nuclear Energy Reactors, or magnetically assisted drives.
But both use materials that contain forms of dynamic energy that while not permanent have a very long decay rate.

Small experiment to prove it!
Take two magnets with opposing poles and drop them into a verticle tube. The magnetic forces will susspend the top magnet with no external force applied. By wrapping a coil arounf the bottom magnet and applying a current, you can increase the bottom magnets force, providing over-unity, like is used in Magnetic Monorails.
The problem is... if you are trying to harness the over unity energy and convert it into power, the losses bring it back to a loss or under-unity condition.
When and if anyone finally figures out how to avoid those losses, Then and only then will "Free Energy" exist. But I wouldn't hold your breath!

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Shdwstr]
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No patented or proposed a device with over unity gain has proven successful. Unless you consider Nuclear Energy Reactors

Atomic energy comes from the conversion of mass in the atoms of the reactor's (or bomb's) fuel which eventually depletes and has to be replaced. That's not over unity gain.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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Yeah, thats why I said Unless you consider them as such... I know it's a pretty thin streach :smile:

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Re: Free document on Free energy [Re: Diploid]
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Its possible that 'free energy' is impossible and its possible that it is not.

What I do believe, however, is that our economy is proped up by the selling of oil and thus the powers that be want to maintain this selling for as long as possible.

As somebody else said, there is slow decay. Well this slow decay could easily solve the fact that we are destroying our planet.

What a nice gift we leave for our children...


Even if the Earth isn't powered perpetually it is certainly powered! The sun's power could also be harnessed far more efficiently.

This is why I believe them when they say certain inventions have been lied about or surpressed, because the power for our economy comes from the oil. It is a fundemental part of the heirarchy and they actively try to do anything to stop that heirarchy collapsing.

Nobody wants to sell 'free energy' or 'slow decaying energy' because you can't sell it!

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