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OfflineMklangelo
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What is the definitive birdseed tek?
    #494669 - 12/18/01 11:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

There are alot of em' out there and I'm looking for the best one. I'm trying several of them and I'm not happy with the results.


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Mklangelo]
    #495071 - 12/18/01 06:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

the difinitive birdseed recipe is to not use birdseed. it is usually loaded with contams, and even if you kill them the leftover enzymes do not help shrooms grow.

especially avoid any that contain sunflower seeds.


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: tchyted]
    #495092 - 12/18/01 07:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

BULLPUCKY !!!!!!!! Many growers use bird seed and have fantastic results. I personally have used parakeet seed that has more blonde millet in it. Mycelia races through it. You should soak it overnight then rinse with fresh water till it rinses clear. Drain the seed and the water content will fine without adding any more water to the jar.I personally PC for 10 minutes....relieve pressure with a long spoon lifting the pressure weight . Watch out for the steam. it`s hot. take out your jars and shake them or strike them on your wrist or hip to loosen up the grain , then return to the pressure cooker for another 45 minutes. This way you won`t have a solid clump of seed. Let them cool completely overnight to be safe.... then innoculate. I`ve heard a teaspoon of gypsum will help the seed from clumping together also. Here`s a link that has a few different approaches to bird seed tek http://www.theforestfloor.org/archives/old_archive/i_need_the_birdseed_tek.html


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Numba9]
    #495485 - 12/19/01 01:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I dunno if it's the definitive way :) , but I did a quick write up of how I do it with a few pics a year ago or so. You'll have to paste, I dunno how to make the link clickable in a post :p. You don't really need to do the rinsing part, it's optional.

http://www.angelfire.com/wa/hutch2/mush/mush.html

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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: spores]
    #495926 - 12/19/01 02:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

DethHead (or anyone who knows...)

When preparing birdseed substrate - do you only fill the jars halfway before PC'ing to account for seed swelling?? I noticed in your pic. that your jars were only half-full before they went into the PC - - but completely full after they came out.
Thanks for any help!


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Proteus]
    #495935 - 12/19/01 02:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

instead of tapeing leave the foil on cut a little hole on the top twist foil till it matches up knock up jar then turn foil back the other way i never had a prob doing it this way


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Proteus]
    #496555 - 12/20/01 01:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Dont know if anyone is interested, but i nearly always grow with either millet or manure based substrates made as cakes...
For millet i simply soak the millet, rinse it and then strain all the access water - then i add it to twice as much verm and say 20 mls or so of rye to every 500mls of verm - 2 cups verm: 1 cup made up of millet and some rye...
Then add as much water as a pf cake and youll be laughing


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Proteus]
    #496556 - 12/20/01 01:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Dont know if anyone is interested, but i nearly always grow with either millet or manure based substrates made as cakes...
For millet i simply soak the millet, rinse it and then strain all the access water - then i add it to twice as much verm and say 20 mls or so of rye to every 500mls of verm - 2 cups verm: 1 cup made up of millet and some rye...
Then add as much water as a pf cake and youll be laughing


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #496584 - 12/20/01 02:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

bluemeanie, you should be a lil more specific in your millet tek :)

It has a lot of stuff missing that is left for us to guess :)

thx :)
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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #496769 - 12/20/01 09:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

sorry - here is a little teky thing (i wouldnt really call it a tek as i dont think its ground breaking or anything)
I basically make my substrates the same way as a simple pf cake of brf and verm - only i substitute millet or cow manure:
500 mls of verm with 240/250mls of water, then added 210/200mls of millet/manure and 30-35mls of rye/brf to make it stick together like a cake.
The millet cakes always yield damn well and colonise quite fast.
The manure cakes typically take longer to colonise, but grow some beauties!! Huge'ens


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #496780 - 12/20/01 09:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet, I have been wondering if making a cake out of more nutritious substrate would increase size/yield. Do you wind up casing or just fruiting from the cake to get the good yield and bigger fruits? I ask because I like the no-brainer of cakes and I was not impressed with the casing I did; it had a great 1st flush, a poor 2nd, and a very pathetic 3rd.


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: homebrew]
    #496781 - 12/20/01 09:50 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

the only time i dont case is when im too lazy too... I always find it worth it...


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Re: What is the definitive birdseed tek? [Re: Proteus]
    #496898 - 12/20/01 01:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes proteus, the grain will swell to about 2 times it's original volume.

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