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Learning to create websites?
#4866665 - 10/29/05 10:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I may want to start a buisness in a few years and i'll need a website probally , so i wanna learn how to make websites instead of paying someone to do it.
I want to learn to make them anyway.
Whats the best way to learn how to do it? , i might take a few classes on it too.
How long does it take(roughly) to get the knowledge to make pretty good websites with cool graphics and with the ability to shop onlne and stuff?
How long did it take YOU?
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: DistortedEyes]
#4866678 - 10/29/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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As with any computer language, there will never be a point where you "know it all" and can stop learning. Computer languages evolve over time - so you will have to continue to learn the new coding methods and such.
The code used to make web pages is called HTML. As far as computer languages go, it's an EXTREMELY easy one to learn (technically it's not a programming language, it's a "markup language" for text formatting).
There's basically two ways to code a web page: write the HTML code yourself (in something like Notepad) or use an automated page-building software (like FrontPage). There are advantages and disadvantages to doing it either way....but I personally prefer to do it the old-fashion way and just type out my own code in Notepad.
Get a book or two on HTML for reference (reference books for computer languages are ESSENTIAL). A course on HTML or even just the Internet in general will give you the background on how a web server runs.
Oh, and I'm going to move this thread over to the Sci & Tech forum for you
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: DistortedEyes]
#4866727 - 10/29/05 10:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I learned HTML by viewing the source of pages to see how they do things. That was back before stuff like CSS, DHTML and even Javascript though, so it was easier to pick up the basics just by looking at code. Even so, these days it's still a good strategy, especially if you have a good reference to turn to with questions. Oh and definitely go the text editor route, WYSIWYG editors are crap.
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: DistortedEyes]
#4866733 - 10/29/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I learned HTML by viewing the source of pages to see how they do things.

Most web browsers should have this feature. Click "View->Page Source". That will show you the source code for the page you are currently viewing. Like Ythan said, this is really helpful!
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: DistortedEyes]
#4866818 - 10/29/05 11:29 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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download a copy of macromedia studio mx & buy a book on it. start at chapter one & just play around. you'll get the hang of it. sure you could just bust out a txt editor, but that could be a pain in the ass if you dont have much experience in such matters & only want to create a website (...and not be a web designer).
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: trendal]
#4867478 - 10/29/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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gross.... frontpage...
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: Jim]
#4867751 - 10/29/05 05:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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htmlgoodies.com
I learned off that site, I don't like html though, I'm much more of a backend person.
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: trendal]
#4869922 - 10/30/05 09:27 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trendal- you just informed me on the greatest feature of firefox. Holy shit. view-page source!
If only I knew about that months ago.
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: Jim]
#4870172 - 10/30/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah Firefox is particularly nice because it uses an internal HTML viewer that gives you nice format and color-coding. I think IE just opens it in Notepad, which is what I usually use to write HTML...but it can be pretty bad trying to read someone else's HTML with it. The formatting and coloring that firefox adds makes reading a piece of cake.
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: trendal]
#4872686 - 10/30/05 08:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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try crimson editor instead of notepad... it does the text coloring and such like firefox, and it numbers the lines, which is wicked awesome when you need to find something quickly in a large page
as for the origional question, i would suggest that if your going to learn how to build web pages, your gonna want to learn how to code html by hand first... it's really easy, and helps out a lot. Mostly, you'll use it for making corrections that programs like dreamweaver make (not them making the error, but you not knowing how to change it just right)
it took me about a week to learn using this guide http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/ it's interactive too, so you can actualy see your results instantly.. just make sure to type everything out, and not copy and paste everything. pretty soon you'll understand internet humor such as </rant>
i suggest you really focus on tables. They are a bitch to get down at first. I learned most my table work by bieng frustrated with dreamweaver 4, and there inability to give me the table i needed, so i had to change a lot of it manualy...
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: Phychotron]
#4872890 - 10/30/05 09:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't learn tables (for other than tabular data). Learn correct HTML meaning use <p> or <div> for non-tabular data.
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: ThePredator]
#4874078 - 10/31/05 07:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Learn asp .net, get Visual Studio .net, you'll need this to make any decent ordering webpage. It's easy enough to get the hang of it and you can create interactive more classy sites
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: mikeyboy]
#4874113 - 10/31/05 07:26 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Learn asp .net, get Visual Studio .net, you'll need this to make any decent ordering webpage. It's easy enough to get the hang of it and you can create interactive more classy sites
worst advice EVER. (sorry)
learn html / php (open source, so language = free, learning = free) learn css (open source, so language = free, learning = free)
with those 2 languages, you can do anything.
asp.net is not for beginning, and it would be like using a $400,000 laser beam to light a candle, when you could just as easily do it with a book of matches you got for free.
that being said, i have 6+ years experience with ASP (old and .NET versions), 4+ years of PHP and 10+ of HTML. Ive worked for many diff companies and businesses, and i have only needed to use ASP in extreme cases where they needed to integrate their website with some other application that was made for specialized use in .NET
start here: http://www.w3schools.com/
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Re: Learning to create websites? [Re: kotik]
#4875487 - 10/31/05 02:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes listen to kotik, php is so much better than asp. Also when learning php mysql is a good idea to, otherwise you have to resort to flat files which can get real messy really quick.
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