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posts/ deaths in iraq...take your pick...


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Re: 2000... [Re: Annapurna1]
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The moonbats are going to be coming out of their crevices now. There is a 2000 protest near me tonight.


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Re: 2000... [Re: Annapurna1]
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If this war was conducted properly, it would be all over by now....
but we must fight this "PC" war...and let our troops die slowly, day by day......either let our military run at 100% operationally, or get the fuck out of there!!!!!!!!!!

We suffered so many more deaths in the first day of WW2...but with technology today...this war could have been over already with 1/5th as much dead.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (10/25/05 04:34 PM)

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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
If this war was conducted properly, it would be all over by now....
but we must fight this "PC" war...and let our troops die slowly, day by day......either let our military run at 100% operationally, or get the fuck out of there!!!!!!!!!!


What would you suggest we do differently?


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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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Actually run a war.....part of the problem is the whole "insurgent" argument. There is going to be the lose of Innocent life...thats why they call it war.

Wars have fronts. And have active search and destroy missions(whether it be infantry or mechanized) in which you engage the enemy. Iraq teeters on the edge of this. We have countless troops, being held out like targets. They only react, when a bomb goes off. When they should have serious firepower, and active combatant missions.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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How do you determine who's an insurgent and who's an innocent civilian?


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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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1.Point a barrel of a M16A2 service rifle at any potential insurgent.

2. If any hostile action is taken (example:sudden moves for a weapon)
shoot to kill

3. If after a search, no weapons have been found, ID person for future reference

The above action will only be successful, IF THE IRAQ BORDER IS CLOSED. The biggest problem is not having Syria and Iran, the fuck out of this...


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: 2000... [Re: daimyo]
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daimyo said:



That would seem to defeat the whole idea of "liberation."


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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
1.Point a barrel of a M16A2 service rifle at any potential insurgent.



I couldn't stop laughing after reading that  :smile:


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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
1.Point a barrel of a M16A2 service rifle at any potential insurgent.

2. If any hostile action is taken (example:sudden moves for a weapon)
shoot to kill

3. If after a search, no weapons have been found, ID person for future reference

The above action will only be successful, IF THE IRAQ BORDER IS CLOSED. The biggest problem is not having Syria and Iran, the fuck out of this...


So basically, you're saying we should institute a police state?


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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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What did we do to Germany in WW2? The point is, that during war, it is pure chaos.

In order to protect the citizenry and our troops, civil liberates will have to be taken away, on a temporary basis, until things conclude. Would there be any more "car bombs", if people were restricted on driving vehicles? Does this suck for the average Iraqi? YES. Will this take away a major attack tactic, of the insurgents? YES


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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What better way to be liberated than sent to your wonderous afterlife?


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"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
What did we do to Germany in WW2?


We certainly didn't follow your suggestion. After the war ended, the insurgency was rather weak. Our main directive there was the de-Nazification of the population through re-education(propaganda).

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The point is, that during war, it is pure chaos.


Isn't the war supposed to be over?

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In order to protect the citizenry and our troops, civil liberates will have to be taken away, on a temporary basis, until things conclude. Would there be any more "car bombs", if people were restricted on driving vehicles? Does this suck for the average Iraqi? YES. Will this take away a major attack tactic, of the insurgents? YES


It's not just a matter of civil liberties. It's a matter of logistics and practicality. ANY Iraqi can be a potential insurgent. If we followed your advice, it would mean pointing a gun at EVERY SINGLE IRAQI. Sorry, but we just don't have enough troops or resources to do that.


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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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Your wrong on many levels.

1. If you dont think we kept a pseudo - police state in Germany, you need to read your history.

2. The war is not over, I never said it was. I provided information on how TO END IT. I first stated that the war WAS NOT conducted properly.

3. Every single Iraqi is not an insurgent. Once word got around that these sweeps of insurgent infected towns are taking place....they would either scare those to leave or they would die in the process. The US military has the capability, GIVEN IF THE ROPE WAS CUT FROM AROUND THEIR NECKS


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Here read history is you dont believe me

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/other/us-army_germany_1944-46_index.htm

Questions? Comments, about occupation?


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: 2000... [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Hate to bring up yet again what has proven to be incomprehensible to some, but if it is indeed the American occupation that has caused the insurgency (the insurgency was rather fledgling pre-occupation wasn't it?), and the American occupation is fueling the insurgency, how are the tactics you propose going to end an insurgency? If an insurgency would have formed even if the United States was the most benevolent belligerent to ever wage war and the most cordial occupier to ever occupy, how much would the United States exacerbate such an insurgency by treating *almost* ever Iraqi as you propose? Is Achmed more or less likely to do what it takes to destroy the occupying force if he just saw his sister crying against a wall, being patted down by Americans with machine guns?


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?When Alexander the Great visted the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: 'Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.' It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.?
-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'

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Re: 2000... [Re: Annapurna1]
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Your Invited!!!

2000th Death Celebration!!



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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: 2000... [Re: lonestar2004]
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15 Miners Killed in Explosion
An explosion at a coal mine in southern China killed 15 miners and injured three, China's official news agency said Monday. The explosion occurred Sunday at the Zhongxing Colliery in the Guizhou province, the Xinhua News Agency said. China's mines are said to be the most dangerous in the world, with more than 6,000 miners killed last year by fires, explosions, floods and cave-ins.

Washington Post Express
October 25, 2005



OH MY GOD!!! THE CHINESE MINES ARE UNSAFE!!! THE CHINESE EXPLOIT THEIR WORKERS!!! THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46501


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Re: 2000... [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
SirTripAlot said:
What did we do to Germany in WW2?


We certainly didn't follow your suggestion. After the war ended, the insurgency was rather weak. Our main directive there was the de-Nazification of the population through re-education(propaganda).

Quote:
The point is, that during war, it is pure chaos.


Isn't the war supposed to be over?

Quote:
In order to protect the citizenry and our troops, civil liberates will have to be taken away, on a temporary basis, until things conclude. Would there be any more "car bombs", if people were restricted on driving vehicles? Does this suck for the average Iraqi? YES. Will this take away a major attack tactic, of the insurgents? YES


It's not just a matter of civil liberties. It's a matter of logistics and practicality. ANY Iraqi can be a potential insurgent. If we followed your advice, it would mean pointing a gun at EVERY SINGLE IRAQI. Sorry, but we just don't have enough troops or resources to do that.


Gee, I didn't know Paradigm was a member of the Nazi party.


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46501


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