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Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant!
    #26542357 - 03/18/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Dats right.
$2,000 for all us poors.
(Also $700,000,000,000 to corporations but that’s to be expected.)

Thoughts? I, for one, am psyched about the flowhood this will buy 🕺
https://apple.news/AIBPkOHfqR0WktNoN4VqYPw

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White House officials are working with congressional Republicans on an emergency stimulus package that could send two $1,000 checks to many Americans and also devote $300 billion towards helping small businesses avoid mass layoffs, according to two senior administration officials and a Treasury Department fact sheet.




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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26542363 - 03/18/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think the implicit message is that they want you to prep for the upcoming crash, Feldman.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante]
    #26542377 - 03/18/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Joke’s on them. I work for a Medicaid plan so my salary ain’t going nowhere, even if I have to work from home. Bwahahahaha:snowman:

Imagine all the TP I’ll be able to hoard with $2,000.

I’m not really that irresponsible, but humor is my mental defense mechanism so...fuckin toilet paper, eh? HA! :shrug2:  :justdontknow:


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26542476 - 03/18/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You could double your money if you transfer it into TP. And you don't even have to pay capitals gain because it's not capital.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26542701 - 03/18/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Thankfully, Amazon and eBay say they're not allowing price gauging on toilet paper, hand sanitizers, masks, etc.:

He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them
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Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,” his brother said. “The major metro areas were cleaned out.”

The next day, Amazon pulled his items and thousands of other listings for sanitizer, wipes and face masks. The company suspended some of the sellers behind the listings and warned many others that if they kept running up prices, they’d lose their accounts. EBay soon followed with even stricter measures, prohibiting any U.S. sales of masks or sanitizer.




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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26542712 - 03/18/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's only for people that work and could potentially lose there jobs tho right?


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26542715 - 03/18/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Haha that guy must be piiissed :lol:

An armed group of robbers stole 100,000 surgical masks today in Ukraine. They got caught in about 15min.
But it turned out, they were originally supposed to buy them “on the black market” but decided to rob the seller at gunpoint.

Face Mask Cartel?
I’m sorry, I know I should be taking this more seriously, but that’s just objectively hilarious.

Found it:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-ukraine-armed-robbers-arrest-steal-facemasks-a9406796.html
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A group of armed robbers have been apprehended in Kiev following an attempt to steal 100,000 medical masks.

The five men had arranged to buy the protective kit from a black marketeer on Friday. Instead, on meeting the intermediary, the group posed as police and ordered him to hand the goods over for free.




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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26542720 - 03/18/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It's only for people that work and could potentially lose there jobs tho right?




Nope!
If you’re a citizen and earn less than $x, you get 2 big uns.
The “x” is said to be set above 200,000/year of household income, but they’re still negotiating.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26542743 - 03/18/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Heck yeah I can grow so much more now. When does it go into effect ?


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26542788 - 03/18/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

First checks are supposed to go out April 6

Nice B-day present for me:snowman:


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26542793 - 03/18/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So, basically....McConnell and Trump are chocking on Pelosi's BBC. :lol:

The sheer incompetence is astounding. If Trump shut up and followed the instructions Obama left, he could have gone down in history as one of the best modern US presidents based on the Coronavirus response alone. This literally would have washed his record clean.

Instead, he fucked it up so bad that now he's sucking UBI out of Pelosi's cock, and smiling for the privilege.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26542810 - 03/18/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Thankfully, Amazon and eBay say they're not allowing price gauging on toilet paper, hand sanitizers, masks, etc.:

He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them
Quote:

Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,” his brother said. “The major metro areas were cleaned out.”

The next day, Amazon pulled his items and thousands of other listings for sanitizer, wipes and face masks. The company suspended some of the sellers behind the listings and warned many others that if they kept running up prices, they’d lose their accounts. EBay soon followed with even stricter measures, prohibiting any U.S. sales of masks or sanitizer.








By removing availability in many remote areas, this guy will be responsible for more deaths than the average serial killer.

That's the kind of capitalism that needs to die.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante]
    #26542923 - 03/18/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Are you sure that you still get it if you are unemployed? I really want this to be true but I will believe it when I see it.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26543004 - 03/18/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well I’ll believe it when I see it too, but any politician who takes a stand against it will be out of a job so it’s a pretty safe bet it’ll happen.

But yeah, it’s everyone under a certain income bracket. At least 80% of the population and definitely if unemployed.

There’s also a bill focused on helping working people, that just passed the senate, which will reimburse those who can’t work. The $2,000 is a separate effort.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante] * 2
    #26543160 - 03/18/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Thankfully, Amazon and eBay say they're not allowing price gauging on toilet paper, hand sanitizers, masks, etc.:

He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them
Quote:

Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,” his brother said. “The major metro areas were cleaned out.”

The next day, Amazon pulled his items and thousands of other listings for sanitizer, wipes and face masks. The company suspended some of the sellers behind the listings and warned many others that if they kept running up prices, they’d lose their accounts. EBay soon followed with even stricter measures, prohibiting any U.S. sales of masks or sanitizer.








By removing availability in many remote areas, this guy will be responsible for more deaths than the average serial killer.

That's the kind of capitalism that needs to die.




WTF?

That is capitalism. This is the kind of coup de grace I can only pull off in economic sandbox videogames, and he did it in real life. He cornered the market, knocked out his competition, and completely controlled the supply of a high demand product. A product without which, people would die. This means he had unlimited room to dictate his price, and people would have to pay it to live. He could have cleaned out entire cities.

People say that's some special "evil" kind of capitalism, but no, they are wrong. This is what capitalism looks like. This is absolute peak capitalism, a textbook example.

I kinda envy the guy. Hell, this is some billion dollar insurance company shit, but he doesn't have to pay a bunch of employees.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26543198 - 03/18/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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“Right now, the plan around here is basically just to start shoveling money out of a helicopter, and the most important debate is whether Democrats or Republicans get to shovel the money first,” said Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)




https://apple.news/AwOoAzPIxRy2rwzwaD-Y5KQ

It’s coming alright:awehigh:


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26543382 - 03/18/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'd bet half of my upcoming 2000$ that they DO NOT send out individual checks to single Americans but rather they're going to go with huge bailouts for the top employing companies in the country and use trickle down economics instead.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26543402 - 03/18/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So, basically....McConnell and Trump are chocking on Pelosi's BBC. :lol:

The sheer incompetence is astounding. If Trump shut up and followed the instructions Obama left, he could have gone down in history as one of the best modern US presidents based on the Coronavirus response alone. This literally would have washed his record clean.

Instead, he fucked it up so bad that now he's sucking UBI out of Pelosi's cock, and smiling for the privilege.




Nope.  Pelosi was happy to leave it at a means-tested $500 until Romney said $1000 and then Bernie said $2000.
Trump actually ran to the House Dems' left and might have saved himself politically(somehow).

here is an interesting exchange more or less right after Bernie got done calling for $2000 for every American until the crisis is over:

https://twitter.com/BlairImani/status/1240060441855807492?s=20

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1240074070865129472?s=20


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: TNK]
    #26543411 - 03/18/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hate to say it guys we are on our own at this point. The markets are crashing like crazy an the virus is taking more an more people out each day. We are on borrowed time. You wont be seeing any restaurants or any thing opening back up probably never again.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26544958 - 03/19/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Quote:

Kryptos said:
So, basically....McConnell and Trump are chocking on Pelosi's BBC. :lol:

The sheer incompetence is astounding. If Trump shut up and followed the instructions Obama left, he could have gone down in history as one of the best modern US presidents based on the Coronavirus response alone. This literally would have washed his record clean.

Instead, he fucked it up so bad that now he's sucking UBI out of Pelosi's cock, and smiling for the privilege.




Nope.  Pelosi was happy to leave it at a means-tested $500 until Romney said $1000 and then Bernie said $2000.
Trump actually ran to the House Dems' left and might have saved himself politically(somehow).

here is an interesting exchange more or less right after Bernie got done calling for $2000 for every American until the crisis is over:

https://twitter.com/BlairImani/status/1240060441855807492?s=20

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1240074070865129472?s=20




Not really, he's just trying to look like he's going left instead of being dragged along.

The best example of this is unemployment protections (specifically, the lack thereof). Diaper Don is seeing an opportunity to maybe get off cheap at $2k per head, which would be barely enough to keep people going for two months. Considering predictions are that coronavirus will be around for 18 months, he's doing the absolute bare minimum that he can to appease his voter base.

I'm also willing to bet my entire $2k government check that in April 2021, we will all be informed that that wasn't actually a payment, but a loan, and that we owe it back to the government. Just like the time Bush sent out $600 dollar checks.

Diaper Don is basically gonna do the eBay chargeback scam, except he's buying votes.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26545066 - 03/19/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What were those Obama directives?


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26545094 - 03/19/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck.
Fucking Republitards.

Giving working class people money “just doesn’t make sense” to Senate Republicans.

Quote:

Direct payments make sense when the economy is beginning to restart. It makes no sense now cause it's just money," Graham told reporters. "What I want is income, just not one check. I want you to get a check every week, not just one week.




Good luck getting re-elected, Graham, you blond shriveled dick.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26545144 - 03/19/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So am I getting payed or not? I'm fighting for my life out here.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 2
    #26545199 - 03/19/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
Fuck.
Fucking Republitards.

Giving working class people money “just doesn’t make sense” to Senate Republicans.

Quote:

Direct payments make sense when the economy is beginning to restart. It makes no sense now cause it's just money," Graham told reporters. "What I want is income, just not one check. I want you to get a check every week, not just one week.




Good luck getting re-elected, Graham, you blond shriveled dick.




I don't think Graham knows it, but he's arguing for either UBI or unemployment insurance.

The thing he literally just voted against earlier today. Just another republican about-face. Nothin' new.

Oh, and don't worry, he's gonna get re-elected. The SC GOP will make sure of it.

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So am I getting payed or not? I'm fighting for my life out here.




Overwhelmingly likely yes, you will get a check for $1200 if you make less than 75k a year.

I'd also say 99% chance your taxes go up by exactly $1200 in April 2021 as a one time thing, just like what happened when Bush Jr mailed out $600 checks.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26545334 - 03/19/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Right, because if a world-threatening pandemic isn't enough to bring the left and right together; what will?

We're doomed.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: TNK]
    #26545363 - 03/19/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mother. Fuckers.

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Individuals making $75,000 based on a 2018 tax return would be eligible for $1,200 payments, or $2,400 for couples filing jointly.
The payments would decrease for those making more than $75,000, with an income cap of $99,000 per individual or $198,000 for couples. The payments would also increase $500 for each child a person or couple has.
However, taxpayers with little or no income tax liability but at least $2,500 of qualifying income would be eligible for only $600 or $1,200 for couples. The direct deposits appear to be just a one-time payment, rather than two payments as initially proposed by the White House. 




Does anyone know what the last bit means? “Little or no income tax liability”?


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26545375 - 03/19/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

it means a person with very little income


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26545384 - 03/19/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
Mother. Fuckers.

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Individuals making $75,000 based on a 2018 tax return would be eligible for $1,200 payments, or $2,400 for couples filing jointly.
The payments would decrease for those making more than $75,000, with an income cap of $99,000 per individual or $198,000 for couples. The payments would also increase $500 for each child a person or couple has.
However, taxpayers with little or no income tax liability but at least $2,500 of qualifying income would be eligible for only $600 or $1,200 for couples. The direct deposits appear to be just a one-time payment, rather than two payments as initially proposed by the White House. 




Does anyone know what the last bit means? “Little or no income tax liability”?




It means 75k is the sweet spot. If you make more than 75k, you get less money. If you get less than 75k, you also get less money.

More specifically, I would guess it means that you won't get more money back than taxes you pay. If you're legitimately poor (I mean, 75k doesn't go far in the US...but I can't call it "poor"), fuck you and die.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26545419 - 03/19/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I was hoping it meant something else.
The people who need it the most will get the least.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26545421 - 03/19/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don't pay taxes.. Damn


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26545428 - 03/19/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Elections have consequences.

Remind your neighbor that isn't all that into politics:
His boss is.
His landlord is.
His bank is.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26545758 - 03/20/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

you cant eat those checks. schools are out for the year start plowing those soccer fields. chickens and gardens everywhere vacant lots churches libraries every prison yard. cortinux quail. stagger your plantings every 2 weeks. nigerian dwarfs less grass=more milk.

aim for short season high protein content

snow peas hardy greens in today. arugula chives white and green onions mint lemon balm oregano and mustard will go wild dont waste good dirt. time is short


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: MadMuncher] * 1
    #26545760 - 03/20/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

In 2018 the US exported $5.5 billion worth of Wheat.

We will have plenty of bread.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: TNK] * 2
    #26545764 - 03/20/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26545772 - 03/20/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

$600 1 time payment for the poorest people?

america, what the fuck


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26545774 - 03/20/20 01:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

you will have plenty of bread. im fucking out of here i cant feed you all. go buy a crawdad trap before they close all non life-sustaining stores. you guys can count on chump and the goons to sustain your life i got my ticket. come on figure it out guys. we cant keep living like this. worst case scenario everything goes back to normal and nobody learned a thing. then next time will be worse. set potatoes and onions yesterday.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26545786 - 03/20/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

they are distributing quarantine passes to electric co, garbage service, etc today in parts of u.s.

"code red get out of here as fast as you can." -state department today= airports closing. be ready unprecidented shit coming in at high speed


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26545982 - 03/20/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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$600 1 time payment for the poorest people?

america, what the fuck





Yeah, what the fuck, why aren't we giving that money to the rich Job Creators. What the hell are poor people gonna do with 600$? Probably buy crack. That's why they're poor. Too much crack and laziness.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26545989 - 03/20/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Mother. Fuckers.

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Individuals making $75,000 based on a 2018 tax return would be eligible for $1,200 payments, or $2,400 for couples filing jointly.
The payments would decrease for those making more than $75,000, with an income cap of $99,000 per individual or $198,000 for couples. The payments would also increase $500 for each child a person or couple has.
However, taxpayers with little or no income tax liability but at least $2,500 of qualifying income would be eligible for only $600 or $1,200 for couples. The direct deposits appear to be just a one-time payment, rather than two payments as initially proposed by the White House. 




Does anyone know what the last bit means? “Little or no income tax liability”?




It means 75k is the sweet spot. If you make more than 75k, you get less money. If you get less than 75k, you also get less money.

More specifically, I would guess it means that you won't get more money back than taxes you pay. If you're legitimately poor (I mean, 75k doesn't go far in the US...but I can't call it "poor"), fuck you and die.



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I was hoping it meant something else.
The people who need it the most will get the least.




I don't think it means people making 35K will get less than people making 75K.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26545996 - 03/20/20 07:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder if I’ll get the 2,400 “for couples filing jointly” even though the wife is a greencard holder. She pays taxes...
Income sure is low enough :lol:


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26546010 - 03/20/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Green card is legal, so unless she gets screwed on that minimum tax liability thing, you should get double.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26546013 - 03/20/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Mother. Fuckers.

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Individuals making $75,000 based on a 2018 tax return would be eligible for $1,200 payments, or $2,400 for couples filing jointly.
The payments would decrease for those making more than $75,000, with an income cap of $99,000 per individual or $198,000 for couples. The payments would also increase $500 for each child a person or couple has.
However, taxpayers with little or no income tax liability but at least $2,500 of qualifying income would be eligible for only $600 or $1,200 for couples. The direct deposits appear to be just a one-time payment, rather than two payments as initially proposed by the White House. 




Does anyone know what the last bit means? “Little or no income tax liability”?




It means 75k is the sweet spot. If you make more than 75k, you get less money. If you get less than 75k, you also get less money.

More specifically, I would guess it means that you won't get more money back than taxes you pay. If you're legitimately poor (I mean, 75k doesn't go far in the US...but I can't call it "poor"), fuck you and die.



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I was hoping it meant something else.
The people who need it the most will get the least.




I don't think it means people making 35K will get less than people making 75K.




I'm not sure where you go that from...it pretty explicitly says that people that have lower income tax liability (i.e., lower income) but make more than $2500 a year will get less money.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26546715 - 03/20/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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you will have plenty of bread. im fucking out of here i cant feed you all. go buy a crawdad trap before they close all non life-sustaining stores. you guys can count on chump and the goons to sustain your life i got my ticket. come on figure it out guys. we cant keep living like this. worst case scenario everything goes back to normal and nobody learned a thing. then next time will be worse. set potatoes and onions yesterday.




I work on a farm in a rural area.

as far as the eye can see the fields are still growing with people working them. ontop of thousands and thousands of cows.

maybe some folk in and city wont have food but there is more than an abundance of food in America. that's why we're all so fat.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: TNK] * 1
    #26547029 - 03/20/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There's plenty of food in the US, just like there is plenty of money in the US.

This is in no way a guarantee that the average American won't starve. We live in a country where some people would rather let food rot than give it to their neighbor.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: TNK]
    #26547377 - 03/20/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd bet half of my upcoming 2000$ that they DO NOT send out individual checks to single Americans but rather they're going to go with huge bailouts for the top employing companies in the country and use trickle down economics instead.




I'll take that bet. Trump and McConnel are trying to buy votes here. You can't buy votes unless you send the money to the voters. I don't know if the 2nd thousand is going to happen, but I expect most of us will be getting 1K very soon.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $1,200 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26548249 - 03/21/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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$600 1 time payment for the poorest people?

america, what the fuck





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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante]
    #26548676 - 03/21/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26548806 - 03/21/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Not really, his ideas are getting touched by King Mierdas. There's still time for everything to go to shit.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26553913 - 03/23/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Im surprised they dont do a % of an amount based on your income.  That would make more sense.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos] * 2
    #26554442 - 03/24/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Not really, his ideas are getting touched by King Mierdas. There's still time for everything to go to shit.



It wasn't the republicans putting in 'diversity quota panel's for buisinesses.

The democrats are fucking evil. Every one of them. The republicans became evil because they were I infiltrated by neocons, which are just socially conservative leftists. They almost destroyed conservstism philandering to evangelicals and idiots.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26554511 - 03/24/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Not really, his ideas are getting touched by King Mierdas. There's still time for everything to go to shit.



It wasn't the republicans putting in 'diversity quota panel's for buisinesses.

The democrats are fucking evil. Every one of them. The republicans became evil because they were I infiltrated by neocons, which are just socially conservative leftists. They almost destroyed conservstism philandering to evangelicals and idiots.




The misspelling of conservatism, OK no big deal. The puzzling insertion of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun, whatever. But philandering is just precious.


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    #26554736 - 03/24/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Im surprised they dont do a % of an amount based on your income.  That would make more sense.




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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26555011 - 03/24/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Not really, his ideas are getting touched by King Mierdas. There's still time for everything to go to shit.



It wasn't the republicans putting in 'diversity quota panel's for buisinesses.

The democrats are fucking evil. Every one of them. The republicans became evil because they were I infiltrated by neocons, which are just socially conservative leftists. They almost destroyed conservstism philandering to evangelicals and idiots.




The misspelling of conservatism, OK no big deal. The puzzling insertion of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun, whatever. But philandering is just precious.




I have a spell check I can't turn off that corrects things that are correct and causes all sorts of problems.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #26555037 - 03/24/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You should point out 'idiotic things' before using the ad hominem logical fallacy.

Actually, you should avoid logical fallacies altogether in the political forum.


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    #26555062 - 03/24/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26555093 - 03/24/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It would be ad-hom if I called him an idiot, but I was referring to things said.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26555165 - 03/24/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Younger people are always more left but vote less. When they get older they vote more but become more conservative. I think they become more conservative because they have acquired more, that they're afraid of losing, and because new trends come along that they're not used to and they're scared of that.




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That's stupid. People become more conservative becauese lelefttest values' are the values of throwing-away a culture because it isn't 'perfect'.

And saying this has been 'going on for generation's is stupid as well, since turnover window has shifted so far left as the government has become more of the economy




He said "I think" before his statement, which was actually a reasonable guess.

You not only replied that what he 'thinks' is "stupid", but your logic was that leftist values are throwing away a culture because it isn't perfect.  THAT'S STUPID.  Leftists want to constantly improve culture; that doesn't mean 'throwing-away' culture.

And I have no idea what you meant by "turnover window has shifted so far left as the government has become more of the economy", because you have a problem with English, as others have noted.  Since Reagan, government spending as a percentage of GDP has been going down (until the crash of 2007 when bailouts were implemented to prevent a depression).


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26555208 - 03/24/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Overton window. Once again, the spell check in this retarded tablet.
Worst part is, I turned it 'off'.

The left would say it wants to 'improve culture', but it does so by discounting what made the cultures they infiltrate good, and taking for granted their own rightiousness.

I've heard his account of subscribers become conservative before, and it's the least generous way to explain it.

I can recognize where the good parts of leftism come from. The misguided ideas usually come from compassion. I understand why people would thing demographics don't matter when they are ideologically convicted to the idea that people are 'equal'.

The old idea that youthful leftism is a sign of conscience and adult leftism is a sign of ignorance is as true an idea as any philosopher has come up with in my opinion.

A few years of decreasing GDP and the taking of an excuse to spend. We went trillions in debt for nothing.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26555229 - 03/24/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The old idea that youthful leftism is a sign of conscience and adult leftism is a sign of ignorance is as true an idea as any philosopher has come up with in my opinion.



That's not something philosophers came up with, that's something billionaires came up with.

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A few years of decreasing GDP and the taking of an excuse to spend. We went trillions in debt for nothing.



Keeping us out of a lengthy depression wasn't a good excuse to spend?


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    #26555251 - 03/24/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Way to 'beg the question'

Did it keep us out of a depression?

Capitalism has brought the greatest increases in standard of living of almost any single thing.
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    #26555292 - 03/24/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Capitalism has brought the greatest increases in standard of living of almost any single thing.
There maybe more billionares, but everyone is wealthier on average.



And why do you suppose we try to hard to keep communist/socialist countries down via sanctions, wars, etc?

Our billionaires are scared to death to give any communist country a chance.

Obama almost made Americans freer by allowing travel, trade, etc with Cuba, but ultimately decided against it as we couldn't risk allowing Cuba to do better.


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    #26555311 - 03/24/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Communism killed tens of millions of people in its own. If it were so productive, it would have succeeded without our help. The history of our problems with communism go back a long time, and some of that has to do with communism as an idiology, some has to do with the nations that these ideas arose in, and some has to do with the cultures of those nations.

Communism as an ideology seems to breed hierarchy and dishonesry. Russia and China were some of the last industrialized nations. Their histories are among the most terrifying in the world.


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    #26555325 - 03/24/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

How many people did communism kill since Stalin and Mao?  It's not communism that kills people.


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    #26555384 - 03/24/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know, Cuba and Venezuela aren't doing well. Laos, cambodia, vietnam. Any nation that embraced it hasn't done well, except the one true nation of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea



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    #26555423 - 03/24/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't know, Cuba and Venezuela aren't doing well.



As I previously stated, the United states is doing everything we can to ensure we force it stay that way.

We've have a an embargo on Cuba, and we've sanctioned the hell out of Venezuela:

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This paper looks at some of the most important impacts of the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela by the US government since August of 2017. It finds that most of the impact of these sanctions has not been on the government but on the civilian population.

The sanctions reduced the public’s caloric intake, increased disease and mortality (for both adults and infants), and displaced millions of Venezuelans who fled the country as a result of the worsening economic depression and hyperinflation. They exacerbated Venezuela’s economic crisis and made it nearly impossible to stabilize the economy, contributing further to excess deaths. All of these impacts disproportionately harmed the poorest and most vulnerable Venezuelans.

We find that the sanctions have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017–2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the US is a signatory. They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the US has signed, and would appear to violate US law as well.




Why don't we just let these countries fail on their own if we think their systems are so bad?  Because billionaires are terrified that they might just work.


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    #26555440 - 03/24/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So are you saying you think those nations would have succeeded without our sanctions?

It's only our sanctions keeping them down? They have their own allies and natural resources


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    #26555453 - 03/24/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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So are you saying you think those nations would have succeeded without our sanctions?

It's only our sanctions keeping them down? They have their own allies and natural resources



Our sanctions and embargoes are crippling, yes.  I don't know if they'd succeed without our keeping them down, as we're too scared to let them try.


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    #26555520 - 03/24/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That's such a backward way of seeing it that I don't know where to start.  It puts the economic prosperity of other nations as our responsibility. We aren't removing them from the global market.


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    #26555531 - 03/24/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps you don't realize it, but the United States, the European Union, Canada, Mexico, and others have applied sanctions against Venezuela to ensure Maduro doesn't succeed.


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    #26555552 - 03/24/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

"Capitalism" is like the best!!

Print all the money you want and let the greedy Banksters in charge of themselves!  :facepalm:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fed-hires-worlds-largest-asset-manager-manage-its-massive-asset-purchases

Piss away $50 billion in share buybacks and then get $40 billion in free money from the government.

  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-airlines-usa/house-democrats-would-give-airlines-contractors-40-billion-bailout-idUSKBN21A35E

I don't get it, I thought "capitalism" discouraged the mis-allocation of resources and irresponsible fiscal behavior. No, it appears that "capitalism" actually encourages it now. :rofl2:

Do you know what's going to be really funny?  Watching all the socialism the "capitalists" are going to use for themselves because of this crisis. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489332-senate-eyes-quick-exit-after-vote-on-coronavirus-stimulus-package
The wealthy never lose, you got to love capitalism!!!


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    #26555587 - 03/24/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Free association and trade are generally a good thing. All rules aren't applicable in all cercumstances.

I don't like how this virus is being handled. Stimulating the economy well everyone stays home seems like a bad choice.

The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we have comes from what they design. Things don't have to be perfect to be functional and adaptive.


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    #26555601 - 03/24/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we they have comes from what they their workers design.



Fixed that for you.  :smirk:


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    #26555618 - 03/24/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we they have comes from what they their workers design.



Fixed that for you.  :smirk:



That's not how IP works:facepalm:
There are a larger number of workers doing less skilled work in most corperations. That doesn't mean they are more responsible for the corperation.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26555620 - 03/24/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Last time they did something like this checks went to anyone who filed taxes the previous year. Hopefully thats the case or in fucked on this check


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    #26555629 - 03/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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That's not how IP works:facepalm:



How does IP work?

If a company pays employees to design products for them, the company gets ownership of that design.

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There are a larger number of workers doing less skilled work in most corperations. That doesn't mean they are more responsible for the corperation.



I never said less skilled workers were more responsible for the corporation.


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    #26555635 - 03/24/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you sell your ip, that's you getting payment for what you think its worth. That doesn't mean it's always good. The people that made McDonald's ducked up, for example.


That's usually where the direction you are taking it goes. The idea that people in positions not authority make more then they deserve well workers create the wealth.


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    #26555645 - 03/24/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Free association and trade are generally a good thing. All rules aren't applicable in all cercumstances.

I don't like how this virus is being handled. Stimulating the economy well everyone stays home seems like a bad choice.

The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we have comes from what they design. Things don't have to be perfect to be functional and adaptive.




No, the vast majority of wealthy people don't invest in innovative investment opportunities. They invest in assets that consist of real estate, conservative businesses (blue chip stocks) and debt. The overall goal is to sit risk free doing nothing and exploiting the peasants for their own financial gain.

Investing in technology industries is considered very high risk. The very wealthy usually stay clear of that risk.

The best investment by the very wealthy is buying off the government for their own benefit. I guess one might consider shaping fiscal, monetary, trade and tax policy for their own benefit is innovative in nature.


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    #26555652 - 03/24/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you sell your ip, that's you getting payment for what you think its worth. That doesn't mean it's always good.



You don't 'sell' your ip.  You sell your time.  You never get what your ip worth.

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That's usually where the direction you are taking it goes. The idea that people in positions not authority make more then they deserve well workers create the wealth.



In our current system, people don't make 'what they deserve'.  They make the going rate for their position, and everything else they make above that goes to the owners.

I'm not suggesting everyone get equal pay.  I'm suggesting everyone get a share of the profits from the work they did.  Pay used to up for everyone in the US as businesses became more productive.  Today it only goes up for the top executives.



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    #26555653 - 03/24/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The best investment by the very wealthy is buying off the government for their own benefit.



:whathesaid:


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    #26555668 - 03/24/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I understand there are problems with capitalism, and we can't and shouldn't have pure capitalism. We also have property rights and people are going to tend toward low risk investment.

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If you sell your ip, that's you getting payment for what you think its worth. That doesn't mean it's always good.



You don't 'sell' your ip.  You sell your time.  You never get what your ip worth.

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That's usually where the direction you are taking it goes. The idea that people in positions not authority make more then they deserve well workers create the wealth.



In our current system, people don't make 'what they deserve'.  They make the going rate for their position, and everything else they make above that goes to the owners.

I'm not suggesting everyone get equal pay.  I'm suggesting everyone get a share of the profits from the work they did.  Pay used to up for everyone in the US as businesses became more productive.  Today it only goes up for the top executives.






I think it's case by case. some companies probably compensate their workers more fairly than others.

It's very complicated. People should profit more from the enormous wealth of society though. I agree


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    #26555777 - 03/24/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It's very complicated. People should profit more from the enormous wealth of society though. I agree




That's not capitalism. Capitalism is more. Capitalism is never enough. Capitalism is that if you had a dollar, and I had everything else in the world, we were the two richest and everybody else starved, I'd be trying to take your dollar.


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    #26555966 - 03/24/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Do you know what's going to be really funny?  Watching all the socialism the "capitalists" are going to use for themselves because of this crisis. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489332-senate-eyes-quick-exit-after-vote-on-coronavirus-stimulus-package
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Indeed, qman, indeed. Good post.

For many of the most wealthy and powerful people and corps, there is little chance of true failure any longer.  The kind of failure that results in the end of a regime, company, or positions on executive boards.  Why?  Because, as you've noted and as we've all seen since around 2008, they love socialism when they're bailed out of the ships they've had hands in sinking.  And hell,  even if board members are removed, not only are they so wealthy by that point that they dont need a "job", but theres always another position or ten waiting for them elsewhere.

While I understand that the great recession could/would have been more catastrophic for the plebes if the whole thing went belly up, it would've been catastrophic only because the govt wont put trillions directly into pockets of the common folk like it does with those it deems too big and/or powerful to fail.

Socialism for me, but not for thee.

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    #26555977 - 03/24/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Up against the wall, the lot of em. Line those fuckers up



:facepalm:

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    #26556002 - 03/24/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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While I understand that the great recession could/would have been more catastrophic for the plebes if the whole thing went belly up, it would've been catastrophic only because the govt wont put trillions directly into pockets of the common folk like it does with those it deems too big and/or powerful to fail.



:whathesaid:

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    #26556007 - 03/24/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The poor aren't poor because the wealthy don't 'give them enough' :whatever:



Tell that to the Walmart workers who need to collect welfare.


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    #26556022 - 03/24/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And on drags the night, our wonderful Senate still in Session.... such a wonderful and screwy world we're all in.


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    #26556055 - 03/24/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder what those guys make.... are we talking the cashiers?

Imagine if every cashier or stocker made $40-50k a year instead of $25k.  If there are 100 of them in one store, that is 150-250k a year extra in labor.... and there are probably 200 such basic employees at each walmart in my area.
So say you had 1500 basic employes at ten walmarts in a city, each making +/- 15-25k more per year.. thatd be between $20-$40 million extra dollars in labor for each cities Walmart's.
So it feels like a nice raise for someone to go from 12-$20 or so bucks an hour.... but if it is everyone of them.... that is why they dont do it.
I agree though, they shouldn't be on welfare, that is shitty - but should they be, making 25-30k a year? I bet if they had kids they might qualify for a little bit of aid, maybe a few hundred bucks in food money....
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    #26556423 - 03/25/20 06:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Walmart cashiers make between 11 and 12 dollars an hour, except in California and other places that have mandated higher minimums.


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Not really, his ideas are getting touched by King Mierdas. There's still time for everything to go to shit.



It wasn't the republicans putting in 'diversity quota panel's for buisinesses.

The democrats are fucking evil. Every one of them. The republicans became evil because they were I infiltrated by neocons, which are just socially conservative leftists. They almost destroyed conservstism philandering to evangelicals and idiots.




The misspelling of conservatism, OK no big deal. The puzzling insertion of the first-person singular nominative case personal pronoun, whatever. But philandering is just precious.




I have a spell check I can't turn off that corrects things that are correct and causes all sorts of problems.
What's your excuse for all the idiotic things you say?




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    #26556437 - 03/25/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It changes correct words into other words.  It's the worst


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    #26556460 - 03/25/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh joy, they are not even going to use Vaseline this time around on the working class. :puke:


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    #26556476 - 03/25/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

'minority mindset', bearded Indian, looks like someone Id listen to.
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    #26556479 - 03/25/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Welp folks, looks like we’re getting our $1,200 buckaroo’s per head.

Even though the bill passed, no one is sure how eligibility will be determined yet, which is mindblowingly retarded.

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    #26556811 - 03/25/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh joy, they are not even going to use Vaseline this time around on the working class. :puke:




Excellent video.  :thumbup:

This guy clearly knows what he's talking about (ignore our fellow racist who doesn't seem interested in listening to a 'bearded Indian').

It's a great overview of the Fed for those that don't know too much about it, but if you already do, start at 8:15.

Long story short, the Fed wants to buy (and therefore bailout) investments that are popular with the rich and big banks, not the working class.


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    #26557235 - 03/25/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like Bernie's holding up the $2trillion bill to ensure Main St. gets some.

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, warned that unless a group of GOP senators back down from their demand for changes to the unemployment insurance benefits, he would slow walk the bill until stronger guardrails were put on hundreds of billions in funding for corporations.

"In my view, it would be an outrage to prevent working-class Americans to receive the emergency unemployment assistance included in this legislation," Sanders said in a statement.

"Unless these Republican senators drop their objection, I am prepared to put a hold on this bill until stronger conditions are imposed on the $500 billion corporate welfare fund to make sure that any corporation receiving financial assistance under this legislation does not lay off workers, cut wages or benefits, ship jobs overseas or pay workers poverty wages," Sanders continued.



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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: feldman114]
    #26557356 - 03/25/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Welp folks, looks like we’re getting our $1,200 buckaroo’s per head.

Even though the bill passed, no one is sure how eligibility will be determined yet, which is mindblowingly retarded.

But at least all the corps are eligible for over half a billion.:super:




Not necessarily, republicans just flipped a shit because some people earn less than 600$ in a month and therefore, giving them 600$ for the month would "incentivize them not to work".


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26558531 - 03/26/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think the Democrats have leverage here. They have to make it look like they care about the people. But the Republicans are in crisis mode. They have to convince the people that they just didn't fuck the country up completely.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26558532 - 03/26/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Unlimited QE.

What better incentive for us foreigners to dump the dollar.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante]
    #26558562 - 03/26/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nah, give it a few weeks. Dollar is going up right now because it's seen as "safe". Once the rest of the world is recovering while the US is still setting records, then you dump the dollar.


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    #26558749 - 03/26/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26558865 - 03/26/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Only going to worry if the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency. It does make me laugh when someone in the US talks down China for manipulating their currency.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26559130 - 03/26/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Only going to worry if the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency. It does make me laugh when someone in the US talks down China for manipulating their currency.





Whats a brilliant reason for the dollar ceasing to be the reserve currency?

Unlimited quantitative easing to bail out billionaires and buy the worlds cheap oil at the expense of all nations and entities who hold dollars -- and this at a time where the US is unfit to bomb you into the stone age for it.


So, now.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26559138 - 03/26/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Dollar is going up right now




In Kenya Shillings?

Its losing ground to the euro.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante]
    #26559211 - 03/26/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Dollar is going up right now




In Kenya Shillings?

Its losing ground to the euro.




I wouldn't call what's currently happening to be "losing ground". A couple pennies swing either way and we're back where we were a month ago.

Dollar is going up relative to pretty much every currency except the Euro. Euro is pretty stable. After Brexit, even GBP's taken a shit.

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Only going to worry if the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency. It does make me laugh when someone in the US talks down China for manipulating their currency.




That's basically guaranteed in the next decade or two. Russia and Iran have already considered, and possibly (likely) started, trading oil for gold. That's the beginning of the end for the USD.

Unlimited QE will only accelerate the demise through inflationary pressure. Especially when the GOP starts screaming about the deficit on November 4th and tries to force a deflationary austerity policy.

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Unlimited quantitative easing to bail out billionaires and buy the worlds cheap oil at the expense of all nations and entities who hold dollars -- and this at a time where the US is unfit to bomb you into the stone age for it.




This is really the big thing. Even with QE, the USD is propped up by the perception of US military dominance. While I don't necessarily think the US military is unbeatable, it will appear so until we start a war with a real country with an actual military, like Iran or China. The moment the first modern US aircraft carrier touches the bottom of the ocean is the moment the USD stops being a reserve currency and start becoming the same as any other third world bullshit currency.

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Kenya Shillings?





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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26559365 - 03/26/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"Stimulus Bill: "An Abomination Beyond Comprehension"

MUST WATCH!



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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: qman]
    #26562861 - 03/28/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Asante]
    #26562913 - 03/28/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Asante said:
Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
Only going to worry if the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency. It does make me laugh when someone in the US talks down China for manipulating their currency.





Whats a brilliant reason for the dollar ceasing to be the reserve currency?

Unlimited quantitative easing to bail out billionaires and buy the worlds cheap oil at the expense of all nations and entities who hold dollars -- and this at a time where the US is unfit to bomb you into the stone age for it.


So, now.





We will always have money for bombs. If we loose our reserve currency status, I am certain a  war would commence. So now, lets spend/support the military industrial complex with our bailout money.


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: qman] * 4
    #26563665 - 03/28/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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"Stimulus Bill: "An Abomination Beyond Comprehension"

MUST WATCH!





Good video.  I'm sure most here won't take the time to watch, so I'll briefly summarize.

The bailout money is mostly just going to the super rich, while the koods of the world remain clueless from reading the New York Times.

For those who actually care what is going on, only a small fraction of the bailout is going towards workers and universal benefits; the vast majority goes to big banks and investment firms at the expense of taxpayers (remember, the bottom 50% now pay a higher tax rate than the top 400).

Stock and asset prices are dropping, while big banks get all the bailout money to potentially buy everything up again.

Meanwhile, the establishment press ignores what's actually going on while trying to pit both sides against each other, even though in reality both sides of Congress are on the same team (helping their wealthy donors).

Everyone wanted to know how we pay for Medicare for All (even though the net cost is less than the current system), but no one is asking how we pay for the current bailout because it's mostly going to the rich.



The surprising thing is that even Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders seem to be going along with this (because Main St is getting a few crumbs).  I'm seeing a lot of progressives start to question them...

What's especially interesting is that because of the virus, no one can hit the streets to protest.

Big banks will soon be using taxpayer's own money to buy their assets up from them.


For those who don't have 50 min to watch the above video, here's a fun shorter clip of Dylan Ratigan losing his temper on MSNBC over how both sides of Congress are bought back in 2011 (also included in the video above).  :smirk:



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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26567548 - 03/30/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"Trump has told people he wants his signature to appear on the direct payment checks that will go out to many
Americans in the coming weeks, according to an administration official. The White House didn’t comment.
Normally, a civil servant — the disbursing officer for the payment center — would sign federal checks,
said Don Hammond, a former senior Treasury Department official..."
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-wants-his-signature-to-appear-on-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-2020-03-28

I won't get one though because I get direct deposit of my SS retirement $ each month.
I'm guessing around April 17 (3 weeks since the signing) for my bribe,
paper check probably not going out before May. :shrug:
We'll see. :waits:

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: vinsue]
    #26569542 - 03/31/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's more the beard thing than the Indian thing.

Also, the name of the show gives away the bias.

There is evidence backing that conservatives understand liberalsleftists. Liberals is the wrong word. Liberal values are good.
It's then the other way around. The theory I heard has to do with how most media has a leftist bias. I've watched well over a thousand movies and know the values I was shown as a child.

Money and business are evil, naive ideas of morality

I've been thinking, and the tactics I hate and am probably guilty of implementing just based on being a person and the ease that the brain does this with.
1.Undercut
Attacking someone's character or where you think they got information, rather than what they are saying.
This person involves 'mind reading' and insults.
Usually illegitimate insults.

2.Project
This goes along with undercutting. Once you have argued enough with a leftist you'll start seeing their personal insecurities come out subtextually.

The example that comes to mind is when people, usually gay or hideous(in their own mind most importantly), respond to an argument they perceive as an attack with an accusation of homosexuality or being attracted to them.

Accusing others of racism when they back divergent policies for different groups

3.Deflect
Completely avoid the point. There are so many ways of doing this that I'm sure books have been written.

I wanted to list this here in case I forgot I've had many convorsations,


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #26569731 - 03/31/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whoawut:


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: relic]
    #26569766 - 03/31/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have a completely liberal Democratic voting family, and my friend is a green party voter.
This is an observation after many attempts to understand how someone can stay on the left past high school


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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #26571418 - 04/01/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lemme rephrase:

Gaslight

Obstruct

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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Kryptos]
    #26571652 - 04/01/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I was thinking about how I didn't put gaslight down.

Thank you, I like your reprisal:awehigh:


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