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Offlinebrak888
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Manure only?
    #4625877 - 09/06/05 04:13 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Hey, what's up? I've been kind of lurking around here, and finally got the guts to post something.

All the manure-based methods seem to require "spawn" substrate to be colonized by mycelium before mixing it in with manure. How important is this step? On the Tennessee Stud site, they had bags pre-pasteurized dung and dung/straw mixtures with a resealable injection site. Is this an okay starting point, or would it really be best to start out on some sort of grain? Also, does the straw/manure mixture have any advantages over just plain shit?

Sorry if this question's already been answered before. If anybody has any advice, it would be awesome! Thanks!


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Re: Manure only? [Re: brak888]
    #4625983 - 09/06/05 04:41 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

grain definitly adds more moisture and nutes to the mix. i never even considered not using it ;p


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Re: Manure only? [Re: swiftrance]
    #4626044 - 09/06/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

yes just spawn rye to h/poo or the h/poo/straw mix the 50/50 poo/straw mix is good but h/poo already has straw in it, but first colonize the rye, then spawn to the h/poo, then case with a 60/40 cococoir/verm mix and definantly go with tennstud you won't be dissopointed. goodluck


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Re: Manure only? [Re: mycomatt024]
    #4626073 - 09/06/05 05:18 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

it might take a little longer for the whole bag of poo to colonize due to its size... but it will work just fine.


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Re: Manure only? [Re: theBRINK]
    #4670562 - 09/16/05 05:59 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Been awhile since i logged in...Thanks for the advice! Since most people seem to think a spawn grain is a good idea, i'll probably go with that...BTW, what's a good amount (in weight) of spawn for, say, 5 lbs of horse poo?


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Re: Manure only? [Re: brak888]
    #4670577 - 09/16/05 06:04 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

You're right. All these questions have been answered already. I, myself, have probably answered each one a dozen previous times.

20% spawn. And READ. Lot of peeps use 2 quarts spawn to 5 pounds poo.

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Re: Manure only? [Re: HippieChick]
    #4670760 - 09/16/05 07:03 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

You're right, I should have looked a bit deeper before running for advice. :blush:I have looked on the grow logs, advanced casings guides, etc. and they were really helpful giving weights, etc. Sorry!


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Re: Manure only? [Re: brak888]
    #4670788 - 09/16/05 07:15 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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brak888 said:
On the Tennessee Stud site, they had bags pre-pasteurized dung and dung/straw mixtures with a resealable injection site.





An injection site? That's news to me! I've seen filters, never an injection site. Damn contact lenses! :mad:


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Re: Manure only? [Re: brak888]
    #4670796 - 09/16/05 07:16 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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You're right, I should have looked a bit deeper before running for advice. :blush:I have looked on the grow logs, advanced casings guides, etc. and they were really helpful giving weights, etc. Sorry!




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Re: Manure only? [Re: FooMan]
    #4670845 - 09/16/05 07:37 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

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An injection site? That's news to me! I've seen filters, never an injection site. Damn contact lenses! :mad:




I used my two 5lb bags of pre-pasteurized h/poo from tenn stud this week and I didn't see any injection sites either. ????


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Re: Manure only? [Re: Bamaman]
    #4671565 - 09/16/05 11:19 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

no injection sites on 'em.

How much difference would not spawning it make?

Well, a yield of 100% BiologicalEfficiency off of 5 pounds of prepasteurized tenn stud would be 1.6 dry ounces. (assuming 75% moisture in tennstud, 8% dry matter in mushrooms).

A yield of 100% biological efficiency off of the 2 L of grain spawn I would use on that 5 pounds tenn stud would be another 3 dry ounces of shrooms to the harvest. (assuming 480 grams of "dry" grain per liter of spawn, dry grain really 13% moisture, and again mushrooms of 8% dry matter).

So, you triple the yield by using a high spawn rate vs. using no spawn. Even using a lower spawn rate of 1L spawn per 5# of tenn stud, you still double the yield potential. (assuming you still get 100% BE).

I'd spawn it.


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Re: Manure only? [Re: mycofile]
    #4671621 - 09/16/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Are your numbers based on one flush or all flushes?


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Re: Manure only? [Re: Bamaman]
    #4672677 - 09/17/05 03:31 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

They aren't based on any number of flushes. They are based on the point where 100% Biological Eficiency is achieved. In case you don't know, biological efficiency is a measurement of how efficiently substrate was converted into mushrooms. 100% BE is not the maximum, it's just a benchmark.
100% BE is equal to 1 # fresh mushrooms harvested from from 1 # of dry substrate
Assuming or knowing the moisture content of the "dry" substrate (which in the case of grains usually aren't really dry having around 10-13% moisture), the moisture content of the wet substrate, and the % dry material in your mushrooms allows one to calculate BE based on any combination of wet or dry yield and wet or dry weights of the substrate/s.

100% BE is a pretty easy benchmark to reach with cubensis and bulk substrates. Sometimes even on the first flush alone if it kicks ass.
250% is possible with multiple flushes.
Maximum BE is not, and hopefully never will be established.

I've never grown on Tennessee stud and was not trying to represent real results, rather yield potentials. If you are usually able to acheive a particular BE with bulk substrates, the math above shows the difference in yield at that efficiency between spawning and not spawning.


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Re: Manure only? [Re: mycofile]
    #4673135 - 09/17/05 07:37 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

So in other words, "the angle of the dangle is directly proportionate to the heat of the beat" :beavis:


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Re: Manure only? [Re: FooMan]
    #4674018 - 09/17/05 02:38 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Agh, once again, proven wrong! No injection sites on the shit bags either--got 'em mixed up w/ the spawn bags.

I promise you, I'm not this stupid in real life. Thanks for everyone's help!


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Re: Manure only? [Re: brak888]
    #4674033 - 09/17/05 02:43 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

I don't think you're stupid, otherwise I wouldn't have given you your first rating. Don't ever forget who popped your cherry!  :wink:


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