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Rejecting life.
    #4584575 - 08/26/05 05:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

There have been many threads about suicide lately. I am not suicidal but would like to know if all you knowledgable people consider suicide to be misfortunate on a spiritual level? This one of course goes oout to those believing in re-incarnation or other forms of existence outside the physical vehicle.

Some say rejection of life leads to nothingness, and accepting leads to rebirth.

I do not like the idea but would like to know.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: dorkus]
    #4584591 - 08/26/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

From a personal standpoint... the one thinking about suicide doesn't necessarily look at it the same. I have bipolar and schizophrenia and I am at perfect peace with God and I go to church and do as much as my mentality lets me at times. I don't believe God would hold it against me because He knows what I've been through and He knows the reasons behind it. I don't consider it to be misfortunate on a spiritual level... but I don't have a textbook answer.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: popnganja420]
    #4584985 - 08/26/05 08:34 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

what exactly is schitzofrenia... is it when you hear people telling you to do things in youre head?


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: dorkus]
    #4584998 - 08/26/05 08:39 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Suicide has nothing to do with spirituality either way because with death spirituality ends. Spirituality has to do with living persons, not inamiate objects.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: dorkus]
    #4585004 - 08/26/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Who knows? But it could be unfortunate on the spiritual level in this life, depending on your reasons for committing suicide.

You can only guess, so you have to follow your heart/intuition on this.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #4585141 - 08/26/05 09:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Schizophrenia takes on many forms actually and it can be combined with other disorders to create even more possible symptoms. But for me, at the peak of my disorder before medications and counseling, etc..... I had auditory hallucinations, visual hallucinations, and severe paranoia that someone is out to get me... stuff like that.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4585147 - 08/26/05 09:26 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Suicide has nothing to do with spirituality either way because with death spirituality ends. Spirituality has to do with living persons, not inamiate objects.




How do you know this?

Spirit implies that which is not the physical body.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: dorkus]
    #4585176 - 08/26/05 09:36 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:crazy: I think this question is impossible unless you have real faith in a certain viewpoint. It seems like we wouldn't have enough information until we actually decided to kill ourselves and see the result. Personally though, I think some people are better off dead. I don't mean that in any malicious way, I just think some people are far too unhappy here and would be better off in either a next life, or in... nothingness...or whatever the future holds I guess.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Jaimie]
    #4585190 - 08/26/05 09:39 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Agree! Jaimie, welcome to the Shroomery. :thumbup: :sunny:


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #4585209 - 08/26/05 09:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:smile: Thank you!


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #4585236 - 08/26/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Suicide has nothing to do with spirituality either way because with death spirituality ends. Spirituality has to do with living persons, not inamiate objects.




How do you know this?

Spirit implies that which is not the physical body.





not really, not all religions and spiritual doctrines believe in human spirits. For example old testament religion believes in mortal man made of flesh that stops existing after he dies, yet they (Jews) have their own "spirituality" as much as any other spiritual teaching


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4585656 - 08/27/05 12:00 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Suicide has nothing to do with spirituality either way because with death spirituality ends. Spirituality has to do with living persons, not inamiate objects.

Can't people just play along with the premise?  :grin:


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4585725 - 08/27/05 12:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I believe when you die your spirit lives on in some way... you cannot say that when your physical body ceases to exhist so does your spirit. This is another one of the great unknown answers to our exhisitance


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Jaimie]
    #4586134 - 08/27/05 02:21 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Jaimie said:
:I don't mean that in any malicious way, I just think some people are far too unhappy here and would be better off in either a next life, or in... nothingness...or whatever the future holds I guess.




Or perhaps they would be better off with a change in mental programming so that they begin experiencing a rich, full life, complete with happiness. It makes more sense than to think that people are bettter off dead, which isn't exactly a viable option. Living now, breathing now, experiencing now - unhappy people should bring an end to that? :wtf:

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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4586410 - 08/27/05 03:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i think that beings who commit sucide will still have to work out whatever karma originally drove them to it. i believe its simply the exchance of one set of circumstances for another and ultimately will not succeed in freeing them from future existance/ suffering. i base this idea on some of my experiences with salvia divinorum and some spiritual teachings i have studied, however its not something i am very sure of.


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Deviate]
    #4586609 - 08/27/05 05:10 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed, if the circumstances that you describe do represent true aspects of reality, then it is impossible to escape life, so the "problems" that one created for themselves that motivated them to snub themselves out will remain for them to transcend. :wink:

It reminds me of the movie Groundhog Day, where Bill Murray kept killing himself... then would wake up the next day.... :smirk: Although it wasn't actually the next day, but rather the same day... :lol:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Edited by fireworks_god (08/27/05 07:51 AM)


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4586646 - 08/27/05 05:43 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Or perhaps they would be better off with a change in mental programming so that they begin experiencing a rich, full life, complete with happiness. It makes more sense than to think that people are bettter off dead, which isn't exactly a viable option. Living now, breathing now, experiencing now - unhappy people should bring an end to that? :wtf:

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I don't know for sure, maybe you have a good point. I know I want to live, but I also know that people kill themselves all the time. I feel sort of wrong saying that all those people are not "programmed" correctly, it just feels dirty. It makes me feel like I'm trying to act superior to them.
I'm also really out of it now.
And really depressed.
Haha, maybe I need a little reprogramming now...
Help? :confused:


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: Jaimie]
    #4586693 - 08/27/05 07:15 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I feel sort of wrong saying that all those people are not "programmed" correctly.  it just feels dirty. It makes me feel like I'm trying to act superior to them.




It isn't an issue of being "programmed correctly", it is an issue of having a mind that openly allows a beneficial, blissful state of existance, a mind that does not allow one's experience of life to get obstructed by unnecessary abstractions.

Does it feel dirty to refer to people with physical diseases such as lung cancer as ill? Do you feel like you are trying to act superior to those with heart disease by noting that they need medical help?

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I'm also really out of it now.
And really depressed.
Haha, maybe I need a little reprogramming now...
Help? :confused:




Are you aware of your thoughts? What is it that you tell yourself, in your mind? It is as simple as being aware of your thoughts and recognizing how they are making you feel the way you do and interpreting life in the manner that you do (and then acting upon that by reshaping and programming your mind with new thoughts :grin:). The conclusions you come to in your thoughts are responsible for your outlook and your state of being. Every thought is actively programming your mind.

Your thoughts certainly may have vauge or strongly defined emotions bound to them to reinforce them and to convince you that they are reality. One of the most important realizations is that there is no meaning within reality beyond that which we ourselves imply.

The more you turn your mind into an active, involved, aware process, and the more you understand how you are creating for yourself your experience, the less you will be subject to needless suffering and negative experiences. :wink:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4586708 - 08/27/05 07:37 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Death can be a relief to many. Sometimes life is just too fucking unpleasant, or some people who otherwise could be happy just have no chances or opportunities in this life, which means they have to life a shadow of what their lives could have been IF. Those people should rather be dead, I mean, they wait their entire lives for something good to happen, and eventually; the only good thing that happens to them is they die...!


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Re: Rejecting life. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4586720 - 08/27/05 07:44 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Indeed, if the circumstances that you describe do represent true aspects of reality, then it is impossible to escape life, so the "problems" that one created for themselves that motivated them to snub themselves out will remain for them to transcend. :wink:

It reminds me of the movie Groundhog Day, where Tom Hanks kept killing himself... then would wake up the next day.... :smirk: Although it wasn't actually the next day, but rather the same day... :lol:

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Groundhog day starred Bill Murry not Tom Hanks, you have just invalidated your whole premise.  :blush: :grin: :tongue: Thanks for finally rating me by the way. I will sleep well tonight. :thumbup: :heart: :tongue:


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