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Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?)
    #4494071 - 08/04/05 09:25 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I've been hearing of recipes like shroom tea, shroom pizza, fried in butter, etc..

Doesn't heat kill Psilocybin?  I'd love to make a nice mushroom cheesesteak or fry em up in butter but I wouldn't want to lose any potency!  Lemme know what's up. :confused:


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Newbie]
    #4494077 - 08/04/05 09:30 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Heat does not kill psilocybin/psilocin. It speeds up the oxidation of both, however.

The reason that tea works is because there is no oxygen underwater, hence no oxidation.

I'm not so sure about shroom pizza or fried in butter, sounds like those types of things would fuck up the alkaloids.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494078 - 08/04/05 09:32 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I see what you mean. I guess it wouldn't matter then if you eat them right after cooked.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494143 - 08/04/05 10:19 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The reason tea works is because you steep it, not boil it, and psiloc(yb)in DOES break down with heat. If you're making tea, you boil it then let sit. You may lose SOME goodies, but as far as throwing them on a pizza or putting them in with butter, they're fucked. However, you can make pot brownies, crumble up some mushrooms, and put them in the frosting :smile:

If you throw a half ounce on a pizza and bake it at 350, say bye-bye to your crop or however much $$$ you spent on the 14g.


Chronick420, you're new here, but please stop spreading misinformation.


FYI, there is dissolved oxygen in water. Fish tanks, anyone?


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Adden]
    #4494167 - 08/04/05 10:29 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The so called misinformation is stuff that I read both here on the shroomery and at erowid, I'll look for links.

Also, I know of people who have boiled their shrooms and reported no loss of potency.

Update: Ok, so I wasn't able to find that info on the shroomery, I think I was mistaken there. However, here is the link from erowid http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info7.shtml. I know that you guys are the shroom experts, not them, but I've found their mushroom vault to be pretty reliable, and this makes alot of sense, imo.

Still misinfo?


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494183 - 08/04/05 10:38 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He's right, S2dope you seem to be spreading the misinformation when related to my personal experiences. You screwed up some mushrooms with heat or did you just read about it?
I'd like to know the details on how much heat caused how much potency loss for you.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494185 - 08/04/05 10:40 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Specifically, I was speaking of this:

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The reason that tea works is because there is no oxygen underwater, hence no oxidation.




The reason tea works is because psiloc(yb)in are water soluble.

There are mild to moderate amounts of loss in potency with boiling mushrooms. Bring the water to a boil and let it sit until it stops steaming/boiling. Throw your shrooms in and wait until its cool (while stirring). Filter, mix Koolaid or tea or whatever, and enjoy.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Adden]
    #4494188 - 08/04/05 10:41 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I apologize for that ambiguous statement. I thought it was obvious that the alkaloids are soluble in water, they are alkaloids, after all. What I meant was the reason tea does not destry the alkaloids is b/c of the lack of oxygen present under water.

I usually just make the tea the way you suggest, s2dope, but come to think of it I did boil the shrooms one time. I was making mushroom iced tea, and I put ~3grams of crushed/ground cubes wrapped in a coffee filter into a pot of boiling water, and left them in there for at least 10 minutes. While I'm sure there was some potency loss, it was not enough for me to notice.


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-----`.; / ~. OO:
-----.' ;-- `.o.'
----,' ; ~~--'~
----; ;
_\\;_\\//_


Edited by ChRoNiCk420 (08/04/05 10:44 AM)


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: MasonsChild]
    #4494190 - 08/04/05 10:42 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Also for mushroom brownies and muffins you boil the mushrooms for 20 minutes, strain then boil tea down more to amount of water need for mix. Substitute the tea for water and bake at recomended temp and time.
Ever tried it?


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: MasonsChild]
    #4494197 - 08/04/05 10:47 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Learn to use the quick reply function.

And no, I haven't. That's just absurd.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Adden]
    #4494205 - 08/04/05 10:50 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

s2dope said:
The reason tea works is because you steep it, not boil it, and psiloc(yb)in DOES break down with heat. If you're making tea, you boil it then let sit. You may lose SOME goodies, but as far as throwing them on a pizza or putting them in with butter, they're fucked. However, you can make pot brownies, crumble up some mushrooms, and put them in the frosting :smile:

If you throw a half ounce on a pizza and bake it at 350, say bye-bye to your crop or however much $$$ you spent on the 14g.

Chronick420, you're new here, but please stop spreading misinformation.

FYI, there is dissolved oxygen in water. Fish tanks, anyone?




How about both of you stop spreading misinformation.

How much you want to bet you cant cook mushrooms on a pizza at 350 for 20 minutes, or in a burger (mashed up with the meat) over an open flame with no noticeable potency loss? You can boil water for 30 minutes with the shrooms in the water, and still no noticeable potency loss. You can also bake the shrooms into brownies..but its a bad idea taste/texture wise (to dry), chocolates work much better. You can also add mushrooms to a nice steak, if your into that sort of thing.

The heat were talking about wont do much at all to psilocybin, psilocin is a much less stable chemical and will oxidize, but it will break down JUST by drying in room temperatures. Cooking fresh mushrooms such as on a pizza will only reduce the psilocin, and only as much as drying mushrooms does. Eating fresh wet unprepared mushrooms will give you more psilocin, but thats the only way to retain the psilocin, if you dry them or heat them you'll break down that little bit, and it'll be just like if you eat dry mushrooms right out of the bag (by cooking fresh or dry on a pizza or anything, or boiling fresh or dry).

I've cooked mushrooms many a times in many ways, I dont enjoy fresh mushrooms myself often, but I have many friends who enjoy my recipes every time they trip now, and I do not put on anything extra for them.

And yes water does have oxygen in it (H2O). Adding lemon juice or vitamin C to the water helps stop those breakdowns. Ever notice the water turn blue? Try it with vitamin C in the water and the water doesnt turn blue, or if the water turns blue, add the vitamin C (or lemon juice) and the blue disappears..


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Edited by scatmanrav (08/04/05 10:55 AM)


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Adden]
    #4494207 - 08/04/05 10:50 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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s2dope said:
Learn to use the quick reply function.





You're talking to me, I assume. Is there any benefit to using this function(besides a quicker reply)? How did you know I was not using it?


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494213 - 08/04/05 10:53 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, was talking to Mason because he replied to himself and was unsure if he was talking to you or me (I assumed me).

Where it says RE: username, it'll let users know who you're directing your post at. :smile:


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Adden]
    #4494223 - 08/04/05 10:57 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, I never noticed that, I just add my posts to the bottom of threads.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: Adden]
    #4494225 - 08/04/05 10:59 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I get it now


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494226 - 08/04/05 10:59 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ChRoNiCk420 said:
Quote:

s2dope said:
Learn to use the quick reply function.





You're talking to me, I assume. Is there any benefit to using this function(besides a quicker reply)? How did you know I was not using it?




The function REALLY clears up the lines of communication as per who is responding to who.

It renders comments like "You're talking to me, I assume" irrelevant. Cuz you know who he's talking to cuz it says Re: MasonsChild.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4494229 - 08/04/05 11:02 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

And yes water does have oxygen in it (H2O).




Dihydrogen monoxide is not the same thing as oxygen at all. While it is possible that there may be some O2 gas bubbles in the water or something liek that, the oxygen that is in the compound with hydrogen will do nothing to the alkaloids.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4494234 - 08/04/05 11:03 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/3170#Drying

Quote:

The oven. Put the mushrooms into an oven (with the fan on if there is one) with the heat set to 30 to 35 C (~90 F). Wait 2 to 6 hours. Higher temperatures, even 40 C, destroy psilocybin and psilocin.




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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: ChRoNiCk420]
    #4494236 - 08/04/05 11:03 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I would hope not seeing a mushroom is about 90% H2O.


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Re: Shroom Recipes (wouldn't it destroy the Psilocybin?) [Re: MasonsChild]
    #4494412 - 08/04/05 12:21 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MasonsChild said:
I would hope not seeing a mushroom is about 90% H2O.




Which is why psilocin breaks down just during the drying process! And why mushrooms blue when they just sit out.

And the FAQ that says that is correct, for drying mushrooms, but 20 minutes at 350 will not turn your mushrooms into useless garbage as you stated, nor will it break down the potency a noticable amount.


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