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VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon...
    #4389566 - 07/10/05 01:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

imagine that your shopping in the town square..when unauthorized political protest breaks out...suddenly your children and your spouse..along with hundreds of others..slowly turn into screaming..writhing masses of molten flesh..with no fire or flame and with no warning of any sort..while leaving their clothing and personal effects..and other property..largely intact...

thats the idea behind raytheons' new vehicle-mounted active denial system (VMADS)...it will literally turn a whole town square full of demonstrators (peaceful or otherwise) into a microwave oven...and although it is being promoted as "non-lethal"..this would clearly not be the case in a crowd-control situation..where there is no space for a subject to jump out of the beam in time...the extent of burns sustained is strictly at the discretion of the operator...moreover..since the beam cannot penetrate armour..it is ineffective against many military targets.. its sole purpose is to terrorize civilian populations...

even more telling is the fact that its deployed on the back of a hummer too...we have the technology to efficiently generate enough electricity to power such a weapon..but instead of using the electricity itself to solve our energy crisis..americans much prefer using it as a weapon of social control..to facilitate waging war for oil to drive the hummers...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4389572 - 07/10/05 01:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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If we imagine is the only time we'll see one of these things.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4389649 - 07/10/05 02:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)



how imaginary is that??...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4389669 - 07/10/05 02:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Very, very imaginary.

If that was used on a group of protestors, the US gov't would have an uprising on its hands.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4389694 - 07/10/05 02:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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the US gov't would have an uprising on its hands.




And who would "rise up" exactly? You won't see one person w/ a 401k rising up. On the contrary, the only ones who would even think about rising up are those of us who have nothing to loose. Everyone else would just watch the tv spin it so they could justifiy why those who got hurt were actually criminals.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Sycronica]
    #4389699 - 07/10/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I have lots to lose, but if I saw something like that I would arm myself against the government.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4389707 - 07/10/05 02:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

A few hundred of us won't do a damn bit of good...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Sycronica]
    #4389724 - 07/10/05 02:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

In my opinion, it would be more than a few hundred.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Redstorm]
    #4389730 - 07/10/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I wish I shared your level of certainty.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Sycronica]
    #4390468 - 07/10/05 08:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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the US gov't would have an uprising on its hands.




And who would "rise up" exactly? You won't see one person w/ a 401k rising up. On the contrary, the only ones who would even think about rising up are those of us who have nothing to loose. Everyone else would just watch the tv spin it so they could justifiy why those who got hurt were actually criminals.




this is beside the point..but nothing could be further from the truth ..rebellions typically originate from within the upper-middle class..as marx himself had observed (the 1960s counterculture being a glaring example)...poverty..OTOH..tends to generate complicitly..as shown by the more recent example with bush...

the point is that irregardless of who the would-be revolutionaries are or whatever their motives..will they even bother to open their mouths..let alone launch a civil war..given the above consequences??...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4390486 - 07/10/05 08:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for posting this. I feel safer now that I know my government is doing all it can to defeat the evil terrorists.

http://mightyrighty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4390736 - 07/10/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with this. It's just a 21st century version of a firehose.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4390856 - 07/10/05 11:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

ie..the firehoses in fahrenheit 451...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4391188 - 07/11/05 01:46 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No, actually the fire hoses used to break up mobs of unruly or dangerous people. Close though. You get a huge :thumbup: for a literary reference too! Even though it has nothing to do with this discussion, you have shown me that you are well versed in the arts of literature and therefore are of a higher level of intelligence than most others.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4391386 - 07/11/05 03:40 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

the whole topic of the thread is that this technology would not be used simply as a conventional firehose as advertized...its being promoted as such because the public might a bit more skeptical if they tried to sell it as a new kind of electronic napalm...but somehow i find it hard to believe that anyone smart enough to develop such a weapon would also be stupid enough to actually think that a victim could have enough room to jump out of the way in the middle of a fairly dense crowd.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4391475 - 07/11/05 05:49 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

How do you know that it would not be used as advertised? How do you know it is secretly some super mega death star ray that is going to be used to enslave us all? How in the hell do you know that it is something other than a non lethal option for crowd control? Please enlighten me.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4391584 - 07/11/05 07:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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even more telling is the fact that its deployed on the back of a hummer too...we have the technology to efficiently generate enough electricity to power such a weapon..but instead of using the electricity itself to solve our energy crisis..americans much prefer using it as a weapon of social control..to facilitate waging war for oil to drive the hummers...




I have no idea how you managed to leap from an EMF emitting device to creating free energy to blaming America for the world's problems. The device is basically a large magnetron, the same thing that makes your microwave oven work. This is nothing new; the basic idea has been around for sixty some odd years and was invented by *gasp* the English, not America.

> How in the hell do you know that it is something other than a non lethal option for crowd control?

Because of the tinfoil hat... it improves reception... you should give it a try sometime...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4391693 - 07/11/05 09:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Anna you have blown this WAY out or proportion!

Probably because you lack an understanding of physics...but I can't be sure about that.

The amount of energy it would take to actually kill a large mob with microwaves is RIDICULOUSLY large. Unless they plan to carry around a nuclear reactor with this device...I can't see them being able to produce THAT much energy.

Think about it: the magnetron in your microwave, while consuming around 1000 watts of power, STILL takes at least a minute or more to boil JUST a small cup of water.

What do you expect, the crowd to just sit there patiently while their bodies are SLOWLY heated up to the boiling point? Give me a break...

Then there's the fact that microwave radiation only penetrates a few cm into flesh - meaning it can ONLY cause effects in the skin and layers directly below it.

I find it MUCH more likely that this device does exactly what I had already read it does: cause severe pain over the entire skin surface.


That being said...I don't like the government using such kinds of crowd-dispersal technology.


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: trendal]
    #4391842 - 07/11/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Probably because you lack an understanding of physics...but I can't be sure about that.




no..i dont know physics.. fortunately..the information is in the link...the beam is only nonlethal because the subject is supposedly exposed for only a very short time...but that might not be the case in a real-world situation (below)...

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The amount of energy it would take to actually kill a large mob with microwaves is RIDICULOUSLY large. Unless they plan to carry around a nuclear reactor with this device...I can't see them being able to produce THAT much energy.




yes..and thats the secret...they have found some way to generate that much power efficiently...

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What do you expect, the crowd to just sit there patiently while their bodies are SLOWLY heated up to the boiling point?




exactly..but of course not willingly...in a dense crowd when your more or less completely boxed in with ppl..theres simply nowhere you can go to get out of the way in time...

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Then there's the fact that microwave radiation only penetrates a few cm into flesh - meaning it can ONLY cause effects in the skin and layers directly below it.




meaning it can only melt all your skin off if your exposed to it long enough...

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I find it MUCH more likely that this device does exactly what I had already read it does: cause severe pain over the entire skin surface.




thats the very least it will do...


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Re: VMADS ..bushs' newest terror weapon... [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4391844 - 07/11/05 11:18 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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How do you know that it would not be used as advertised? How do you know it is secretly some super mega death star ray that is going to be used to enslave us all? How in the hell do you know that it is something other than a non lethal option for crowd control? Please enlighten me.




the answer to all of the above is quite simple ..bush :lol:...


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