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1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang
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So if you want to see the big bang, look at some white noise. I think that's pretty badass. It's just 1% but that's still a lot really, considering how long ago it happened.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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what happend? white noise? sense when does noise have color?

really.?


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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You didn't get the memo I guess.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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huh?

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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uriahchase said:
what happend? white noise? sense when does noise have color?

really.?


"What happened?" :confused: -------------That's what everyone has been debating all these years. :psychsplit: :rofl:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: Icelander]
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That's the cosmic static left from the bigbang. You can pick it up on radio scanners too.

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: trick]
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trick said:
That's the cosmic static left from the bigbang. You can pick it up on radio scanners too.


Yep. Microwaves from the big bang..still detectable by the most insignificant of devices.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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Where did you get this information?


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: Jabbawaya]
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Trippy vegatable avatar. I love to eat them. It's like eating the visuals from one of my trips. :thumbup: :mushroom2: :grin:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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its a well documented phenomena. big bang creates energy (electromagnetic radiation) which travels to other parts of the universe. by the time it reaches our part, its a few billion years in the future. tv ariel picks up microwave signals (electromagnetic radiation) and represents the signal with an image on the screen.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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Another SMALL percentage of TV white noise is made from virtual particles in the quantum background foam :wink:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: trendal]
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uh, yeah tren.  OK.

:P

I have no idea what that is Tren.  A Quantum Background foam?  :wtf: mate?


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: drtyfrnk]
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alright, I just got told what quantum background foam was. it's pretty intense.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: drtyfrnk]
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You should read "Timeline" by Michael Crichton, it talks a good deal about "quantum foam" :wink:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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"1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang"

yeah, but at MTV is 80% and just about 10% of it from big bands ... :crazy2:

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: trick]
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trick said:
That's the cosmic static left from the bigbang. You can pick it up on radio scanners too.


its impossible to state for a fact that this "white noise" exists. and even more unlikely that it came from "the big bang" which is just theory.not fact.  :heart: :heart: :confused:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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Actually we can see the spot where the big bang took place. All the information can be gleamed from NOVA, the best show on earth. We can detect the light from the big bang very, very easily. It's fact.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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uriahchase said:
trick said:
That's the cosmic static left from the bigbang. You can pick it up on radio scanners too.


its impossible to state for a fact that this "white noise" exists. and even more unlikely that it came from "the big bang" which is just theory.not fact.  :heart: :heart: :confused:


Back that up a bit more?

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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So what...we came from the big bang too...


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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uriahchase said:
its impossible to state for a fact that this "white noise" exists. and even more unlikely that it came from "the big bang" which is just theory.not fact.  :heart: :heart: :confused:


Actually it is possible to prove that this "white noise" exists, and it has been experimentally measured to a HIGH degree by several experimental satellites (COBE, WMAP) as well as ground-based and aerial detection.

The Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB), as it's called, did not originate with the Big Bang...but several hundred thousand years after the Big Bang. It's existence is the greatest proven evidence for the existence of a Big Bang-like event.

For the first few hundred thousand years ATB (after the bang) the Universe was opaque to radiation. It was too hot for atoms to form, so the Universe consisted of a large ball of plasma. Photons of radiation interact strongly with plasma because they are absorbed and re-emitted by electrons readily (the electrons are not bound to a proton, in a plasma). As the Universe expands, it cools down, so when it had expanded enough it cooled to the point where atoms could form. This freed the massive amount of radiation that existed at that point to STOP interacting with electrons and flow freely throughout space. The Universe became transparent to light (radiation).

It is this light, that was set free at that particular instant, which we can still detect as the CMB. In fact any direction you look in, you will find the CMB. It exists throughout all points in space because it was formed in all points in space almost simultaneously. (it does differ by a VERY small fraction in different patches of the sky - further evidence for the Big Bang model).

The radiation cools along with the Universe as it expands (the expansion causes a redshift of the photons) so it's current temperature is about 2.7 Kelvins with a frequency in the microwave range. This frequency and temperature was predicted by the Big Bang theory, which is why the CMB is such good evidence for a Big Bang.

Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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Actually we can see the spot where the big bang took place.

If by "spot" you mean "everywhere, all around us", then yes.

There was no "spot" in the Universe where the Big Bang took place.

The Universe is the spot, and it is currently taking place :wink:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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I think that's pretty badass

It's the best thing on TV... you should see the Nielsen ratings!  :grin:


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: trendal]
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God damnit science is badass.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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prove to me that the "big bang" took place.

not show me where a spot might be because it might of happend... i want proof.

white noise on the other hand may exist..but once again none of you can prove it's from some big bang.

thats all...it's like me saying that this whit noise is leftover static from God rubbing a balloon in his hair.
it's possible, but not proveable..it's theory.

how do "they" know what it is and where it's from for sure?


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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Because these scientists know more about this stuff then you do, and then they tell US about it because it's interesting. You don't have to believe it. Be ignorant. That's fine.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: freddurgan]
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I was always under the impression that white noise was all audible frequencies played at a level relative to the logarithmic curve of our perception of sound. We perceive the lower end of the frequency spectrum with a decrese in dB, and to make up for this, to make white noise, you have to boost the lower end so that every frequency/octave "seems" to be equal.
Pink Noise however is certin octaves pulled out, but the frequencies are actually all equal, so the low end seems quieter.

Then again , I could have them backwards, I havent read anything about psychoacoustics in years.

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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The big bang was an explosion of space, not an explosion in space.
Anyway, that's just a theory :wink: ...

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Well in this case "white noise" simply refers to "noise" in a system.

You are correct that, when speaking of audio frequencies, "white noise" is a well defined phenomena. However the term "white noise" is also understood to simply mean "noise"...and we aren't discussing audio noise here but EM noise.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: trendal]
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yes, white noise is also sometimes referred to any noise which is multiple frequencies independant of each other and completely random.... like the noise at a party even.

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: uriahchase]
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uriahchase said:
prove to me that the "big bang" took place.

not show me where a spot might be because it might of happend... i want proof.

white noise on the other hand may exist..but once again none of you can prove it's from some big bang.


nothing can be proved, we can only provide logical explanations. the big bang is the most logical explanation for the origin of the microwave background. if you have a better explanation, i'd like to hear it.

if you're searching for absolute proof (of anything), your search is futile.

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thats all...it's like me saying that this whit noise is leftover static from God rubbing a balloon in his hair.
it's possible, but not proveable..it's theory.


no, its nothing like that, since there is nothing that you can observe, no evidence whatsoever to support that theory. yes, that is a theory, but its a completely unfounded theory.

provide a valid mechanism for how that might work, and then it would be a valid theory (although still not as good a theory as the big bang). anyone can pull random crap out of their ass, but some people actually think about things and come up with logical explanations.

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how do "they" know what it is and where it's from for sure?


they don't, but all observable evidence points to it coming from the big bang.


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Edited by alsey (07/12/05 09:06 AM)

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: alsey]
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alsey said:
uriahchase said:
prove to me that the "big bang" took place.

not show me where a spot might be because it might of happend... i want proof.

white noise on the other hand may exist..but once again none of you can prove it's from some big bang.


nothing can be proved, we can only provide logical explanations. the big bang is the most logical explanation for the origin of the microwave background. if you have a better explanation, i'd like to hear it.

if you're searching for absolute proof (of anything), your search is futile.

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thats all...it's like me saying that this whit noise is leftover static from God rubbing a balloon in his hair.
it's possible, but not proveable..it's theory.


no, its nothing like that, since there is nothing that you can observe, no evidence whatsoever to support that theory. yes, that is a theory, but its a completely unfounded theory.

provide a valid mechanism for how that might work, and then it would be a valid theory (although still not as good a theory as the big bang). anyone can pull random crap out of their ass, but some people actually think about things and come up with logical explanations.

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how do "they" know what it is and where it's from for sure?


they don't, but all observable evidence points to it coming from the big bang.


Yea seriously. It's like this weird movement by evangelicals to introduce the theory of intelligent-design into our schools. Their argument is that evolution and creation are both just theories. But this is a misnomer, as one tenent of a theory is that it has testable support to back it up. Intelligent-Design is what the science world would call a 'hunch.'

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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: TheCow]
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TheCow said:
Yea seriously. It's like this weird movement by evangelicals to introduce the theory of intelligent-design into our schools. Their argument is that evolution and creation are both just theories. But this is a misnomer, as one tenent of a theory is that it has testable support to back it up. Intelligent-Design is what the science world would call a 'hunch.'


my parents are fundamentalist christians. i used to get it all the time when i lived with them. as a result i'm pretty well versed in creation 'arguments'. these people are like 'fuck science and logic, our irrational beliefs should be taught to everyone else'. i have no problem with religious people until they try to teach their faith as some sort of logical theory.

there is also the fact that no theory of intelligent design has ever been proposed. there are attacks and nitpicks at science, but no constructive theory offered by the creationists.


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: alsey]
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I really don't know a lot about the "big bang", as far as I knew it was a pretty flimsy theory, but it seems that there is a lot behind it that I don't know about.

Can you recommend any good books on the subject that describes the theory in-depth?


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Re: 1% of TV "white noise" is light from the big bang [Re: cortex]
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"A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking is always a good one to read, though it doesn't just stick to the Big Bang.


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