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OfflineMurple
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DEA raid & spores
    #395088 - 09/15/01 02:05 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I have been made aware that one of the items on the search warrant served in the last week's raid on a certain Indiana-based supplier of poisonous nonconsumables was mushroom growing kits. In light of this, spore vendors may want to reconsider their practices... although I dont think we're about to see more raids, nor do I think shroom kits were the primary goal of this raid. However, for the time being, perhaps it would be wise to sell spores only as prints & syringes, and not to sell growing paraphenalia or instructions with them. This MIGHT help reduce criminal intent and make it slightly safer from a legal standpoint.

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    #395135 - 09/15/01 03:34 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: McMan]
    #395161 - 09/15/01 03:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Any vendor that chooses to sell growing kits is not thinking too straight. This prooves that it is intented to be used inorder to grow illegal mushrooms. McMan, how he said it, has one of the best setup business. He possess no spore, no mycellium, and no mushrooms. Selling a object that could be used to grow something illgeal is not illegal itself until a user is caught growing the illegal materials with it. Records of somebody purchasing a device that could be used to grow something illegal is not enough proof to get searched or raided. As long as you keep it quite, safe, and sure you are typically safe from the law. Dont get cocky. Dont tell people that you dont trust, better yet, dont tell anybody.



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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: phrozendata]
    #395170 - 09/15/01 04:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You have to understen that growing those shrooms is not illegl by it self. So, they can sell mushrooms kits. But they must not consume them or advise others to consume them.

If you have not hurt above principles, with lawyer there is no chance to be chased.... because you did nothing illegal.

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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Crobih]
    #395203 - 09/15/01 05:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> You have to understen that growing those shrooms is not illegl by it self. So,
> they can sell mushrooms kits. But they must not consume them or advise others
> to consume them.

In many countries this is true, but not in the United States. Here, only the spores are legal since they contain no drugs. Once they start growing into mycelia, they are illegal because they contain psilocybin.

Also, I wonder if they could prosecute someone for spores on the grounds that they are drug precursors... Something to think about at least.



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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Murple]
    #395609 - 09/16/01 05:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

which vendor was raided?

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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Murple]
    #395691 - 09/16/01 10:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

How do you explain that san pedro is legal, than? It contains mescaline as you probably know.
Next... murple you are restricing research chemical discussion and poppies.org sell legal seeds for making opim. Double standards...isnt that true?

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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Murple]
    #395700 - 09/16/01 10:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: psilocyber]
    #395902 - 09/16/01 04:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

[supplier removed] simply pushed things too far. They have one hell of a disclaimer, but if the goverment can prove intent it really changes things.

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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Crobih]
    #395966 - 09/16/01 06:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

> How do you explain that san pedro is legal, than? It contains mescaline as you
> probably know.

In all likelyhood, San Pedro really is NOT legal... however so far the government has not tried to bust anyone for it. If they wanted to, I'm sure they'd have little difficulty making a case stick.

> murple you are restricing research chemical discussion and poppies.org sell
> legal seeds for making opim. Double standards...isnt that true?

I don't run poppies.org, how is it a double standard? I think its stupid of them to sell these seeds from a site dedicated to opium. Again, poppy seeds probably could be considered illegal if some prosecutor really wanted to make a case.

Just because a law isn't enforced doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Remember, even in Amsterdam marijuana is illegal.


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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Murple]
    #396438 - 09/17/01 05:16 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

And how do you explaint that even though DMT is illegal we all walk freely? I think you should read those laws a little better. When you gonna do that, you will notice that marijuana is forbiden even though THC is forbiden too. Same as peyote. This all indicates that Mushroms are not illegeal even they contain psilocybin. But you have to be wise so those guys can not prove you are intending to use that exact chemicall.

And about poppies.org...I think you saw banner on shroomery. So this is again capitalistic shit where nobody thinks about shroomerities. Because if Thor wa good guy, he will obey his "principles" and not allow that banner, or follow real good principles of the free world where censourship is the worst enemy of progress.

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Re: DEA raid & spores [Re: Crobih]
    #396561 - 09/17/01 10:48 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

There goes my Peganun Harmala, SHIT!


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