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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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EPA causing global warming?
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I just got out of a hydrology class where our Prof put forth a relatively interesting idea (not a fact, just a theory) that I'll attempt to summarize here....

Basically, if global warming is being caused by CO2 and particulate emissions, we should see a nice rising curve of surface temperatures when compared with emissions, which do follow just such a curve. Follow?

However, this is not how the curve goes. Global surface temps remained relatively stable until 1970, when they started to tack up significantly. What else happened in 1970? The Clean Air Act was passed by the EPA to begin to clean up the air in the US.

They began removing sulphur dioxide and other particulates from the air. These things are solar reflectors, that is, they reflect solar energy away from the ground before it can reach the surface and be turned in to thermal energy.

So the gist of it is, maybe the surface temps are rising BECAUSE the clean air act is removing the pollutants from the air, which before were reflecting sunlight and keeping things clear.

I dont know at this time to attach any validity to this. Its just something for you guys to chew on.


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Re: EPA causing global warming? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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IF this were the case, it would still necessarily mean that rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere causes global warming. It would mean that we ARE upsetting the atmospheric balance and causing global warming, just that we were ALSO causing global cooling at the same time, so the two balanced each other out. Take away one but continue the other, and the balance disappears.


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But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: EPA causing global warming? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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the hippies will dine on your spleen.


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Re: EPA causing global warming? [Re: afoaf]
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http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/

I suggest you overview this site, and if your interested invest in his books. He applies through Physics that it is in know way possible to heat up the Earth to the degree that is warming up, as much as the energy is dissapated naturally, and instead suggests that it is due to solar weather among other things that is the primary cause of our global warming.

As the Earth has been warming up at a steady rate and is beggining to "normalize", as is told by looking at the global conditions of our past, from looking at natural evidence (well before man ever became introduced an industrialized society).

Also, he suggest that the only reason we should stop using "fossil feuls" as it were as they pollute our environment. And further he suggests Napantha (sp?) and the burning fires from heaven are really oils being deposited by a passing comet. Sounds far fetched, but check it out, makes a hell of a lot more sense then most of the scientifice theories out their including that comets are "dirty snowballs" which one would believe that they are in fact are, till they realize that a comet passing that near the sun would inevitably burn it up. Instead he proposes an electrical nature of the sun, and that the comet nucleus is really a solid core, which makes the coma have a sunward spike in the opposite direction of the sun (as the sun is discharing energy, and forming an electrical discharge against the comet).

Additionally, he provides ways to circumvent such occurences of pollution (as global warming isn't going to be stopped by just reducing emissions, nor stopping emissions entirely). Think of the Sun as a capacitor in way of it producing energy, when fusion occurs, energy is released, yet that isn't really accounted for in our current understanding (i.e. textbook understanding) of our solar system, where only the energy released by the sun in form of heat is tauted to be the dominant influence of our sun. Anyhow, more sensical then most of the proposed theories that I've read up on.


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Edited by Psychoactive1984 (03/01/05 05:09 PM)

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