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Offlinefalcon
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honey with vitamin C
    #3697754 - 01/29/05 12:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

These are ringed honey on supplemented sawdust.
I had to dunk these twice in solution to see
fruits start. The were as a result very wet and I
scrapped them after this picture was taken
as there was mold forming on the sawdust.







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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: falcon]
    #3703816 - 01/30/05 09:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So, this is an Armillaria species in a bottle culture?
Those look horribly malformed, but it appears you have a partial fruiting.
Excellent, I imagine only fine tuning of environmental conditions is all that would be required from this point. Looking good!

p.s. - What size jar are you using?


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: ATWAR]
    #3704313 - 01/30/05 10:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The jar was a 12 ounce wide mouth mason jar. The honey this was
cloned from had yellow colored caps, pretty much the same
color as the yellow discoloring on the mycellium.

I'm pretty happy with that it went this well. I think with some
fine tuning it would be pretty easy to get this species
to fruit.

The vitamin C should probably go in the beginning or sprinkled
on dry. I tried with straw also. After dunked in vitamin C water
it was water logged and was infected with trich
pretty badly shortly afterwards.

I also put it on cottonseed hulls.
The hulls colonized quickly and I tried to fruit them outside.
I kept them covered partially in a plastic bag, to keep up the
humidity. They were mushroom fly magnets.


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: falcon]
    #3704516 - 01/30/05 11:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That is just discolored mycelium? No extra density?

Quote:

They were mushroom fly magnets.




As are the wild honey mushrooms around here. It is VERY hard to find wild specimens that are good for the table. The key is getting them when immature, which is not always possible. This is the primary reason why I am interested in this species. But I never considered cloning a specimen last year, as they are primarily parasitic. I figured that it would cause cultivation problems... Next season I will not be so lazy...


Edit:
Perhaps this is a species that would benefit from a casing layer. I frequently find them in the wild fruiting from (presumably) the roots of infected trees, out of the ground (covering acres so it could also be long rhizomorphs that fruit where conditions are right). Rarely is the species here ever actually growing on a tree or stump (on one occasion in particular I found a cluster inside a heavily decayed stump center that was well rotted out, that is all I remember examining). I know other species in this genus fruit from stumps, but a casing soil could be worth investigating...

Next year I will clone a few specimens from different areas. This is one of my favorite fall mushrooms, if you can find good ones...


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: falcon]
    #3706059 - 01/31/05 04:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Great experiment :thumbup:

How did you prepare the Vitamin C solution ?
And for how long did you dunk them in there ?


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: ATWAR]
    #3710237 - 01/31/05 10:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That is just discolored mycelium? No extra density?

I was just discolored. I thought because of the coloring
that it was fruits forming at first. It doesn't really show
in the pictures, that the immature fruits are pinkish.

I was lucky to find clean mushroom there were hardly any worms
even in fairly large mushrooms, it had been cold
the week before these were found.

Perhaps this is a species that would benefit from a casing layer
:thumbup: If I do this again I will definately use a casing layer.

This honey was found on the ground in oak woods.  :smirk:


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: ragadinks]
    #3710325 - 01/31/05 11:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Great experiment thanks

How did you prepare the Vitamin C solution ?

I crushed a 250mg tablet of Vitamin C and added
to about 10 ounces of tap water. Stirred to dissolve.
I poured the solution into the mason jar, about
3 ounces and let it sit.

And for how long did you dunk them in there ?

The first time they were dunked for four hours.

- when no fruits formed after two weeks I dunked
again -

The second time they were dunked for about an hour.

It took about 10 days for fruits to form after this. I don't
have good temp. or humidity info. I moved them
in and out of the house depending on the weather.

The sawdust cakes were not held down so the tops
of the cakes were out of the water a little.

The cake was fine oak sawdust supplemented with
about 10% tea and a tiny bit, I'm not sure how
much >5% aspen shavings.


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: falcon]
    #3733747 - 02/05/05 03:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

what form of vit c did you use? have you thought about using the soluable crystals (powdered vit c)? i have some that are ascorbic acid... one little scoop is 1000 mg.
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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: danksistah]
    #3735007 - 02/05/05 01:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

have you thought about using the soluable crystals (powdered vit c)?

No, i didn't think of that, it's a good idea. :smile:
I used vitamin supplement tablets.
The tabs  had other ingredients: Dicalcium phosphate,
rose hips and food glaze.

Do you have the crystals used in canning?


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: falcon]
    #3737272 - 02/05/05 10:16 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

no mine is a supplement too but it is pure ascorbic acid... no additives. check your local health food store =)


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Re: honey with vitamin C [Re: danksistah]
    #3737617 - 02/05/05 11:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I will. I didn't know they sold this.


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