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Offlinechuwie
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Emptiness
    #338708 - 06/12/01 12:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Does life feel empty to anyone else? Day in and day out, life feels the same (for me at least), everyday im left at night with the same unsatisfactory feeling that nothing has been accomplished, no matter what ive done that day. Sometimes i wake up and im really smiling, and i smile for days on end - but im always dragged back to this empty feeling, the same feeling that nothing matters and everything is just... fake. Im still in my youth and life is already boring.

And then sometimes I think about how I think about how life is so empty, and I come to a realization that it really doesnt matter... only to be left again, with nothing. I wouldnt say im saddend by it, but im tierd, exhausted, and bored.. really fucking bored of it all.

- what do you get for pretending the dangers not real?


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Re: Emptiness [Re: chuwie]
    #338749 - 06/12/01 12:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

look after yourself chuwie
life goes up, life goes down, it never stays the same for too long. when things seem a bit shit and no progress is apparent, just kick back and do some things you really enjoy.
old folktale-
a king asked his wise-man to engrave a ring with a sentence so that if he feels sad and reads it, he will feel happy, and if he feels happy and reads it, he will feel sad.
on the ring, the old dude wrote-
this, too, will pass.



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Offlinegribochek
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Re: Emptiness [Re: mr crisper]
    #338979 - 06/12/01 09:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Mr Crisper - what a beautiful story!

Chuwie, the feeling you are speaking about comes from expecting of the world something it is not. Accept the world as you see it (as fake, as meaningless, as boring, if you will), but truly do accept it, blend with these negative feelings if you have them, and as soon as you do, there will be a little surprize for you.



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Re: Emptiness [Re: chuwie]
    #339115 - 06/12/01 03:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Chuwie, I know how you feel.
One thing that has really helped me (besides the magic mushrooms ;) is becoming interested in Buddhism. It isn't just another religion, it just makes sense.
Buddhism says that this life _is_ empty. And that this is not a depressing thought. All our preceptions of sorrow and fleeting hapiness in this life will pass, we will all die, and be reborn again, as we have enumerable times already. There is a buddha inside all of us, waiting to awaken to enlightenment.
When I feel that things don't matter, that life feels empty, that it doesn't matter what I do, I get reasurance from the knowledge that I am in control of my life. My past karmic deeds have set my life in motion to bring about the suffering and happiness around me, and it is my reactions that will plant further karmic seeds that will ripen tommorrow, next year, and in my next life and the many lives to follow. And when I stop reacting in ways that insure my continued suffering, and all my past deeds catch up with me, I will be left with only the perfect happiness of awakening to the clear light of Buddhahood, as will we all.
When we embark on a trip with the magic mushrooms, we are awakening to a sliver of the clear light that is enlightenment, try to take some of that back with you and carry it with you through your day.
I hope this has been of some small benifit for you.
peace
geoff
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Re: Emptiness [Re: chuwie]
    #339226 - 06/12/01 06:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This is mostly in response to the Buddhist comment. This is how i see emptiness. The world we see is mostly empty space. If you zoom in really closely on anything, it will be mostly "empty" space with some dots of atoms intersparsed. Now, if it weren't for that space, there would be no atoms. You can't have on without the other. The emptiness you feel in life is just the other side of the coin. Heres some Alan Watts, if you look at a chainsaw there are a bunch of sharp peaks, and in between these peaks there are valleys, you can't have a peak without a valley, period. "That which is form is emptiness and that which is emptiness form." You need to have that emptiness in order for the rest of your experience to exist. Now, when we look at "empty" space we no longer see a vacuum, devoid of everything, but rather a sea of infinite potentiality.

I come from brilliance and I return to brilliance. What is this?


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Re: Emptiness [Re: chuwie]
    #339535 - 06/13/01 01:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I had the same feeling for a long time, and I wished for the time when I was a kid, and I would hear stuff on TV jokes/stereotypes, about people who wanted to know the meaning of life, usually a bald guy sitting with his legs crossed (you know what I'm talking about) and I thought "How stupid, who cares about the meaning of life"
I couldn't really grasp the concept, but now I can't go back to that frame of mind, and I'd probably give anything if someone could *really* provide me with the REAL meaning of life, but even if someone did, now, I wouldn't be able to know for sure if they were right.


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Offlinechuwie
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Re: Emptiness [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
    #339997 - 06/13/01 07:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

thank you guys, i feel much better today

- what do you get for pretending the dangers not real?


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Re: Emptiness [Re: chuwie]
    #340653 - 06/14/01 03:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The paradox of life.
Yes. Yes. Yes.



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Re: Emptiness [Re: chuwie]
    #340677 - 06/14/01 03:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

about emptiness--
According to A.H. Almaas and other transpersonal psychologists, only enlightened parents can properly mirror and acknowledge the True Beingness of their child. Unfortunetly, however, this is very rare and the child is usually not seen for Who She IS, but rather what role she can fulfill. The childs survival depends on learning how to BE what the parents expect of her and she ends up cut off from the most important aspects of her true nature. Almaas believes that our Being manifests as specific Aspects at different periods of development such as Merging, Strength, Will, Clarity, Joy, and others. but these Aspects must be appreciated, seen, and mirrored back. If not, the Aspects remain submerged, hidden, and a painful deficient hole develops in ones experience. The Being retains a memory of this Aspect and egoic activity is created to mimic and copy the hidden Aspect. The goody-goody type of kindness covers over the Hole created by the loss of awareness of Compassion, toughness covers over the Hole of Strength. And the sum total of these copy-cat versions is known as our Ego.

Through understanding and mindfulness we can understand this ego activity for what it is: A method of covering over the pain of deficient Emptiness. Understanding eventually leads one to experience this emptiness directly. When one is able to face this Emptiness directly without resorting to more subtle ways of resistance and activity--then the hidden Aspect of Being will return to fill the gap and we can once again re-unite with the specific Aspects one by one.

some say that in Reality there is no Self, and that there is just a stream of grasping and resistance that creates the illusion of a sense of self. If so, then emptiness is a pointer towards truth. Our entire lives are built around an illusion. Its no wonder we feel empty--we ARE.



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Re: Emptiness [Re: mit]
    #347470 - 06/23/01 05:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

your description of almaas's work intrigues me. i just looked him up on amazon, and see that he has a number of books. which is the one which addresses the points you summarize? thanks.



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re: emptiness [Re: davidgergen]
    #347531 - 06/23/01 07:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i completely agree with redfuzz...buddhism will help you. it's like he said, it's not just another religion. at first it might look like this, but once you have dealt with it for some time, the things it teaches you prove themselves in real life. it helped me that way. i had problems similar to yours when i encountered buddhism...i think you should stick to zen buddhism, it's in my opinion the living soul of the whole thing. the farther away you get from that, you'll just be dealing with a dead religious body that's as good as any other religion on this planet...just my opinion.
good luck & peace !

BlueGreen
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stupid people try to grab sharks by the tail..."



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Re: Emptiness [Re: davidgergen]
    #348377 - 06/25/01 05:12 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

For Chuwie

Hi people, I just came here from Tranceaddict.com. :)

There is a distinct difference in understanding the logical psychological teachings of Buddha and understanding depression.

As members here have mentioned the philosophy behind "Emptiness" preludes the masks of our Ego. That is simply impossible to cater to wide range of situations and the complexity of this world. Emptiness that equates to space is a misconceived analogy. It is theorized in subatomic physics that subatomic particles, no the matter distance, can communicate with each other. Space has mass and is part of Time, in theory you can bend space from point a to point b and connect both points.

Anyways, I'm getting off topic.

We all have our days you mentioned. It's a matter of working with your reflections and see if the real issue is depression or not. Your feelings are just a manifestations of your state of mind. Buddhist teaches the person to look deep and trace the thoughts to its origin, and you will find your answers.

My advice, you got to move and do some physical activity. Or else youwill lapse into a depressive mood. Running evidently boosts your serotonin and dhea levels up. Taking 5htp, dhea, and melatonin will help balance your moods.

Peace



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