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OfflineTao
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No justification for Afghanistan?
    #3333304 - 11/08/04 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Are there any here who believe the U.S. was not justified in going to Afghanistan in 2001? If so, why? Just curious.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333342 - 11/08/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

partly because elements in the U.S. government had more to do with 9/11 than anybody in Afghanistan ever could have



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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333349 - 11/08/04 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

100% justified.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333353 - 11/08/04 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think this thread is going to quickly boil down to a 'who caused 9/11' thing. Cause I don't think anyone who believes Bin Laden masterminded the attack would be opposed to the US going and capturing him....

Of course, that hasn't exactly happened. That really should have been our only priority. Capturing or killing Bin Laden and other top AlQueda members and then getting the fuck out of there.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Gijith]
    #3333368 - 11/08/04 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I think this thread is going to quickly boil down to a 'who caused 9/11' thing. Cause I don't think anyone who believes Bin Laden masterminded the attack would be opposed to the US going and capturing him....

Of course, that hasn't exactly happened. That really should have been our only priority. Capturing or killing Bin Laden and other top AlQueda members and then getting the fuck out of there.




Clearly, if they would have done just that as is what they probably should have done, how would they possibly be able to get away with installing a pipeline and invading a number of other countries soley by claiming they are harboring terrorists? Bin Laden and all of this are mere smoke screens for distracting people and getting the population in blind support of the so-called war which will in turn help to advance the real agenda.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3333387 - 11/08/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

goddamnit it don't derail my thread into your stupid unfounded conspiracy garbage, its tiring.


reasons why one might think it wasnt justified other than 9/11 conpiracy theorists:

1) most were actually sauidis including the billionaire leader

2) although thats where al qaeda was located, perhaps it wasn't necesary to carpet bomb the entire place, and rather should have focused on hunting out terrorist camps.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333395 - 11/08/04 03:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

3) the problem was our intervention so we should have withdrawn our occupation in the middle east including saudi arabia, though i guess a measured retaliatory attack on al-qaeda would have to be done in order not to simply let terrorists walk all over the u.s.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333408 - 11/08/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
3) the problem was our intervention so we should have withdrawn our occupation in the middle east including saudi arabia, though i guess a measured retaliatory attack on al-qaeda would have to be done in order not to simply let terrorists walk all over the u.s.




Surely leaving the boarders wide open during this time helped a great deal in keeping these said terrorists off U.S. territory.

Or is this just more crazy conspiracy talk...

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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3333477 - 11/08/04 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

do you think aliens have visited us? just curious.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333524 - 11/08/04 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

2) although thats where al qaeda was located, perhaps it wasn't necesary to carpet bomb the entire place, and rather should have focused on hunting out terrorist camps.




Quote:

3) the problem was our intervention so we should have withdrawn our occupation in the middle east including saudi arabia, though i guess a measured retaliatory attack on al-qaeda would have to be done in order not to simply let terrorists walk all over the u.s.




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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333528 - 11/08/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Really, how do we know if al-qaeda was from afghanistan? How do we trust anything the government says is true since they were giving us all this bs about iraq.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333541 - 11/08/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
do you think aliens have visited us? just curious.




I am afraid I will be unable to comment on your inquiry, as I have been asked to avoid 'derailing' this thread with any and all unfounded conspiratorial garbage, or that which might challenge any degree of conventional thinking.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333619 - 11/08/04 04:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
1) most were actually sauidis including the billionaire leader


Exactly.
Contrary to official talk, the reason for invading Afghanistan wasn't retaliation or capturing Bin Laden at all.
The whole thing was ready beforehand. The US wanted to further their oil interests in Afghanistan, and talks with the Taliban were completely stuck. The US even gave them an ultimatum: either you let us build a pipeline through your country, either we will do anything necessary to do it ourselves. The question of who organised 9/11 doesn't matter here. Either 9/11 was a US move to justify war (not only in Afghanistan, as you might have noticed), either it was an incredible present offered by Bin Laden or other Saudi's to US oil interests (did you notice? Hamid Karzai is a former Unocal consultant. Unocal is the company that wanted to build (and very soon did build) said pipeline).

So retaliation wasn't the (main) reason.

So: No, there was no rightful justification, just a question of interests again.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3333780 - 11/08/04 07:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

100% justified.




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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3333950 - 11/08/04 07:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The majority of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, not Afghanis.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Swami]
    #3334692 - 11/08/04 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It was justified in the minds of those who wanted that pipeline built. Otherwise, no, it was absolutly not justified.


Edited by DNKYD (11/08/04 10:51 PM)


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: DNKYD]
    #3334723 - 11/08/04 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Otherwise, no, it was absolutly not justified.

why?


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3334729 - 11/08/04 10:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Really, how do we know if al-qaeda was from afghanistan?

:what:


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Swami]
    #3334737 - 11/08/04 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The majority of 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, not Afghanis.

true, but the network and leadership that supported them was in afghanistan.


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Re: No justification for Afghanistan? [Re: Tao]
    #3335894 - 11/09/04 03:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm undecided on this. On the one hand, 9/11 was a criminal act, not an act of war, so while it could justify a manhunt for Bin Laden, it does not follow that we should attack a country. On the other hand, the Taliban was giving refuge to Al Queda, so I suppose it could be argued that that makes them just as guilty.


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