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No Justification for the WTC Bombings?
    #3344120 - 11/11/04 12:13 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Are there any here who believe al-Qaeda was not justified in attacking the U.S. in 2001? If so, why? Just curious.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Ravus]
    #3344131 - 11/11/04 12:16 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
Are there any here who believe al-Qaeda was not justified in attacking the U.S. in 2001? If so, why? Just curious.



CERTAINLY not in the manner they did. If they had attacked a US military target in the Middle-East, a la the Cole bombing, that would have definitely been a less repugnant act (which is not to say it would have my support or good wishes).


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Ravus]
    #3344231 - 11/11/04 12:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
Are there any here who believe al-Qaeda was not justified in attacking the U.S. in 2001?



They were not justified in attacking civilians that is for damn sure.

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Ravus said:
If so, why?



Does that really need to be answered?


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Ravus]
    #3344273 - 11/11/04 12:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

There is no justification for killing civilians


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Ravus]
    #3346108 - 11/11/04 12:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe you phrased your question wrong.

I certainly think they weren't justified. How could anyone be justified in slaughtering thousands of civilians?

Did they have reasons for it? Of course. Did it seem justified to them? Of course, why else would they have done it?


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Ravus]
    #3346113 - 11/11/04 12:20 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Not justified, they directly attacked a civilian building knowing that it would be filled with thousands of civilians.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Ravus]
    #3346200 - 11/11/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

It might have been justified for the millitary industrial complex to push someone(s) to carry out an event like this, as they are the ones who got all the more funding because of it. Plus they just so happened to get a shiny new pipeline established in a foreign country. The FBI was behind the 1993 WTC bombing. Think about it.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346559 - 11/11/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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usefulidiot said:
Think about it.




Thinking....
That's a luxury many sheep, er... Americans, don't have any more....


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346671 - 11/11/04 03:15 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

usefulidiot writes:

Plus they just so happened to get a shiny new pipeline established in a foreign country.

Which pipeline do you refer to? There certainly is no pipeline in Afghanistan, nor even any Western corporations interested in bidding on one. Please fill us in.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346691 - 11/11/04 03:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)


The FBI was behind the 1993 WTC bombing. Think about it.

Ramzi Youssef was behind the 1993 WTC bombing.

"Think about it"...that is a phrase I would like to scream at people
I see engaging in nutty conspiracy theories when they have
absolutely no proof to support their assertions.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Phred]
    #3346745 - 11/11/04 03:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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pinksharkmark said:Which pipeline do you refer to? There certainly is no pipeline in Afghanistan, nor even any Western corporations interested in bidding on one. Please fill us in.




Sorry, I wasn't aware that Iraq was no longer considered to be on foreigh soil..

Quote:

The FBI was behind the 1993 WTC bombing. Think about it.

Ramzi Youssef was behind the 1993 WTC bombing.

"Think about it"...that is a phrase I would like to scream at people
I see engaging in nutty conspiracy theories when they have
absolutely no proof to support their assertions.




I guess I had wrongly assumed that this should probably be common knowledge by now.. people need to start being careful in associating conspiracy 'theories' with fact.

THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS, THE FBI COOKED THE BOMB AND ORDERED THE EVENT TO BE CARRIED OUT

I suppose it's also safe to assume that you also think all the damage caused to the Murrah building in Oaklahoma city was caused soley by McVeigh and his truck bomb?


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346803 - 11/11/04 03:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

for the love of god can't you even read the links you provide?

Quote:

useless idiot said: The FBI was behind the 1993 WTC bombing.
THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS, THE FBI COOKED THE BOMB AND ORDERED THE EVENT TO BE CARRIED OUT





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useless idiot's article said : The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb
and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by
an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer,
Emad Salem, should be used...Supervisor `Messed It Up'




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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346808 - 11/11/04 03:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Iraq was full of pipelines before March of 2003. Are you saying the US invaded Iraq to build yet another pipeline? When will construction start? From where to where will it run? Which company was awarded the contract?


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Tao]
    #3346828 - 11/11/04 03:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of
hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his
talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as
being in a far better position than previously known to foil
the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.




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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346851 - 11/11/04 03:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

you need a reading comprehension class before you keep posting this conspiracy theory drivel. read that section you posted again, slowly this time. i'll give you a hint if you still can't figure out what its saying.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Phred]
    #3346858 - 11/11/04 03:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No, I am saying part of the reason for them invading Iraq was to gain control over the oil. The U.N. is playing the 'good cop' in that regard.


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Tao]
    #3346876 - 11/11/04 03:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

looks like I'm stumped..a hint would be nice


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3346894 - 11/11/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"FBI planned and carried out the attack."
versus
"FBI was in a better position than previously known to foil the attack."


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: Tao]
    #3346948 - 11/11/04 04:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What do you think about this? http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur46.htm


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Re: No Justification for the WTC Bombings? [Re: usefulidiot]
    #3347039 - 11/11/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

considering what a waste of time your last article was, im not going to read that.

do me a favor though in return for explaining your last article to you. consider the possibility that perhaps the world is actually as it seems. i know this makes politics much dryer, i know its more exciting to turn politics into a Dan Brown novel, but give it a try.


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