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 Chonger
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 Our perception of time 
#322677 - 05/21/01 05:37 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isnt it weird the way we have come to have a system of time.
I'm talking mainly about the days of the week, and how much it actually effects our lives without us knowing it.
In my mind I have a mental picture of a typical week, and its days, and I see it a diagram. The weekend (saturday and sunday) run on like a small straight line, and then the week days curve around in a semi circle to join the two ends of the weekend.
Does anybody have any idea of what I'm going on about?
The whole world revolves around the days of the week, and we come to do particular things on different days as if it means something. Now contrast this picture to a more realistic view of time, which is just an on going, linear thing, theres no slowing down and no speeding up, and it all seems really silly.
I hope you dont mind my ramblings!
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Even in this world of lies, theres purity.Edited by Chonger on 05/21/01 07:40 PM.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#322800 - 05/21/01 08:00 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know what you mean, and I have definitely thought about that before. It is like everyone is programmed to exist in an infinite circle, going around and around, and performing certain tasks or engaging in relaxation at certain points of the circle, the same points every week, every month, every year. Yes our time is circular if you think about it, although it creates a linear history. It is a weird thing to think about, people have been going in circles for a long time.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#322804 - 05/21/01 08:01 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I bet there are a lot of other cultures that dont have this circular view of the week. On a larger scale modern western society has more of a linear perception of time. We think of time as I straight line heading for the future. We go to kindergarden, to school, over to college or start working. We try to make progress at work, or at least try to fulfill our dreams allways heading forward, seeking new goals. We percept the the time as a "carreer of life".
In rural society before industrialization, you mostly stayed at the same place all of your life. The weekdays where only so you would remember Sunday, for religious reasons. But on the larger scale they percived time as circular, not linear us us. They follwed the changes of the seasons to do different labours required.These circles just repeted them self until the day they die. The number of years wasn?t important either, celebrations of birthdays is a new invention. Most people did not know there actual age, but were refering to ones birth as "Being born when it just was time for harvest" or something like that. I think our time being obsessed with birthday celebrations is just a product of our new linear time perception. Our life as a ladder. The seven day week i think is a product of todays way of living. We work, have different activities different days. Its a practical framing for the mainstream life style. The weekend is for recreation so you will be able to work next week. Our perception of time is kind of a system made for mainstream lifestyle.
But you are right, its silly, beacause its not true. Its just made up because its a smooth way to keep our modern society to run as smoothly as possibly. I don?t think our pets give a fuck about if its Saturday or monday. Our peception of time is a construct depending of which ever society we live in. Its all cultural and very politcal
I hope I made any sense, because Im kind of stoned right now :)
Edited by libertycap on 05/21/01 10:17 PM.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#322805 - 05/21/01 08:02 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another weird thing to think about.... It seems that linear time is more artificial and human, like something we have come up with ourselves, since the universe works in circles, not a linear path. So if you think about it, our sense of 'circular time', wwith days, weeks, years, is actually closer to the way nature works.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#322926 - 05/21/01 10:14 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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i like to think of time as a spiralling movement, circular implies we are going nowhere, a spiral gives a sense of advancement albeit slowly. it also allows for near-repetition, maybe you do have a shit every morning at 7:34, but i bet no 2 shits are alike and the paperwork varies from day to day (assuming you trouble yourself with such trivialities)
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 Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#323058 - 05/22/01 01:54 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: mr crisper]
#323100 - 05/22/01 04:01 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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i agree with you mr. crisper... important: "When left alone, energy tends to move and grow as spirals." everyone with two good ears(eyes) had better listen(read)... hehehe i think im going nuts... 
"I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human." -- James Maynard Keenan
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#323157 - 05/22/01 07:48 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, i reckon the whole idea of time going in a straight line doesnt make any sense
i made this post ages ago about how we must be living in the past. it goes something like this.
when something happens there is a very small amount of time before our brain knows that the thing has happened. im talking about the delay of our nervous system.
for example, if you see something happening, its not actually happening. the time taken for the light to reach your eye, to travel to your brain, and for your brain to recogize it as something is a small delay. so the things you are seeing and hearing and feeling have actually already happened before you know it.
what this means is that we exist slightly in the past. but we cant, because the past has already happened. so then where are we? or should i say, when are we?
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Ikari]
#323160 - 05/22/01 07:58 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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we are now... here and now... everything that happened, happens and will ever happen is NOW...
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: In(di)go]
#323175 - 05/22/01 08:31 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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to me time is just a scale that was made up. time really comes down to the moon that orbiting the Earth, the earth orbiting the sun along with Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto. After all I think all the days of the week are named after the planets of our solar system.
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moon
saturn... (a titan, father of gods in mediterranean mythology)
the other 4 are from norse gods & goddesses...
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: gnrm23]
#323471 - 05/22/01 03:33 PM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think mrtechoshaman is right. Our perception of time is based on celestial events. You can go you're entire life without time. Time isn't relative in the universe, only in a celestial percepion of it. We should base it on a universal constant, like half-lives of atoms, or the amount of time it take for an electron to go around an atom x amounts of times.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Crasher]
#323930 - 05/23/01 02:27 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah thats what I'm trying to get at. Just because we have based time on celestial orbits and cycles of orbits doesn't mean that its the best idea.
Actually the best clocks in the world, take the nuclear decay of a particular isotope of the caesium atom as the scale, i think thats a pretty good way.
Also, the orbits of the plannets aren't as simple and straight forward as they seem, but i guess it will have to do, i mean its not like its a life threatening situation or something.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#324054 - 05/23/01 08:52 AM (22 years, 4 months ago) |
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...but then of course, for those of us who walk within the circle of time the line does seem linear. We perceive the straight line of successive moments, not the curve in which they fall. Without expanded awareness within our narrow perspective, it would be impossible to perceive the spiral as such.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: BBin]
#338444 - 06/11/01 05:25 PM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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i remembered something on my last trip... and it explains perfectly how time is in fact a spiral, but as BBin said, we are not able to realize from our point of view...
ok, now look back at school... math class... yes, math class, i learned a lot there... do you remember what a straight line is? a straight line is a segment of a circle with diameter=infinite... so in our temporary limited awareness we perceive time as a straight line, as this small segment we know exists... but once we open our third eye we can perceive the whole picture... eternity
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"All this pain is an illusion... of what it means to be alive"Edited by Lozt Soul on 06/11/01 07:26 PM.
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Re: Our perception of time [Re: Chonger]
#339579 - 06/13/01 12:00 AM (22 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, it is pretty funny even since I was little, I imagined Years as a circle, but months, weeks, and days as linear, I have no Idea exactly how I came up with that as young as I was, and also on an unrelated topic I viewed each year as either blue or red coincidentally(sp?) I saw even numbered years as red and odd as blue
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