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Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here
    #3202365 - 10/01/04 02:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was created so y'all can comment on my analysis of the first Presidential "debate". The beginning of my analysis can be found in the locked thread titled "Bush loses on presentation, wins on issues" found here: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...sb=5&o=&fpart=1

I'll continue the analysis later. Time to get some sleep.

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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202389 - 10/01/04 02:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You didn't see the debates.....

The fact of the matter....GW BUSH=Kerry's bitch,at least tonight.

You highlighted ALL the points Bush made, and about a 1/3 of the points Kerry made, and you commented on them with an obvious bias, but he, whatever....its cool....


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202402 - 10/01/04 02:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You miss a lot by just reading this debate.

Bush looked bad.

He was slouching.

He sounded defensive.

He even lost his cool once.

Bush stumbled over Hussein/Bin Laden's name.

He mispronounced nuclear proliferation... he gave up on nucl... nuc... and just settled on prolif...eration.

Bush was the only guy to ever go over His camp's pre-determined time limits.

Bush asked to rebute Kerry... then just drew a blank... the moderator had to prompt Bush into saying something. Lehr had to remind Bush of why he asked to rebute! It was hillarious.

I don't think these things will be as evident in transcripts.

Bush looked like Nixon in 1960. Kerry looked like Kennedy. Bush made that long winded, horse-faced liberal look like Kennedy! Well... Kennedy and Kerry are both Ma. liberals.

This was not the GWB that we saw in the 2000 debates against Gore or the GWB from the Texas debates, against Anne Richards. Bush looked about as bad as he could... and I'm being nice.

To be fair, Kerry has a lot of ground to cover... but I think he may have done it in 90 minutes.

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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Rose]
    #3202470 - 10/01/04 02:37 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Skikid16 and Cervantes:

Which part of
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I readily admit that without being able to watch gestures, expressions, tone of voice, stammers and other body language cues I am at a disadvantage when it comes to judging the showmanship part of the spectacle, but after reading through it twice I can't see a single question where Kerry "stomped" Bush. Bush won on the issues. Whether or not that will help him in the polls is another thing, of course.



did I fail to make sufficiently clear to you?

Note that I am not the only one who has come to this conclusion. Cornking is another who picked up on many of the same points I did. Clearly not everyone is fooled by debating tactics. We all know Kerry is a good debater, and we all know Bush is a lousy public speaker.

I am not trying to claim that Bush won on the presentation -- see the title of my thread.

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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202479 - 10/01/04 02:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just trying to help you get an idea of what you missed. :smirk:

Don't worry, keep reading the debate.

And keep your poker face on. Bush looks better when you keep your poker face on.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202484 - 10/01/04 02:41 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

see it first chance you get, pinky. this debate wasn't watched for substance.

small correction: when Lehrer asked Bush whether he thought the country had a greater chance of being hit under Kerry, Bush responded with "I don't believe it's gonna happen."
I think it was plain to anyone watching the debate (based on his tone and his following comments), that he wasn't referring to another attack. He was stating that he didn't believe Kerry would be elected, therefore he didn't have to answer the question.
Same kinda answers he used to give when that pesky Helen Thomas would ask 'what if' questions on Iraq's alleged WMDs...

I'm assuming you added the 'another 9-11 type attack' parenthesis yourself, since no news organization would have screwed up his meaning that badly.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Gijith]
    #3202506 - 10/01/04 02:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Aha. Yes, I did add the part in parenthesis myself but forgot to make them black. I also meant to add a question mark to it, but it gets complex putting in all the color tags. Thanks for the headsup. I'll change it.

Again, I'm working from the first transcript I found. There are probably others out there with slight changes in wording. I've noticed this in the past with live speeches -- slight variations in transcripts.

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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202630 - 10/01/04 03:19 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i personally thought--and i watched the debate--that not only was kerry a better debater/presenter but that he had more content in speaking about the issues.

seemed to me like bush kept crawling back to the same old arguments: we cant have a president who flip flops like kerry, who sends mixed messages, it's hard waaaaaaaa

kerry called him out and he couldnt say anything. thats what i got out of it. i stopped watching for awhile because i was getting bored. bush never said anything different he might as well have said one paragraph and gotten it over with.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202714 - 10/01/04 03:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I couldn't have imagined a worse presentation, and I would cut my own penis off before I voted for John Forbes Kerry. He could have came on strong tonight and knocked Kerry out of the race.

Kerry would have a much better argument if he voted against the war. His best arguments are against a war that he voted for. His style will not win out over his substance.

George Bush looked like a chimp. An angry stupid studdering discombobulated chimp at that.

I watched 90 minutes of that crap. I can't imagine the public at large tuned into that after the first 30 or so minutes. I would rather have a root canal than watch that again.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3202763 - 10/01/04 04:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

just wait mang, we got 2 more :smile: something tell me they are gonna really try to get bush into shape though ....oh and why not just vote libertarian?? if u dont liek either man


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3202804 - 10/01/04 04:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Kerry's issues were pretty fucking sound.

How come we sent the Afghan mullas up to kill Bin Laden in Tora Bora? They didn't want him dead! The US Army was right there... chomping at the bit to take Bin Laden out! Why didn't they get that chance?

The war in Iraq was started in the wrong way.

It's Bin Laden! Not Sadam!

North Korea now has nukes? Why, if Bush thinks nukes are the scariest threat to America, did he let North Korea get Nukes? Oh yeah... Iraq.

It is better to change your mind than to be wrong and stubborn.

Flip flopping is not as big a mistake as an unjust war.

Kerry made some HUGE points.

All that I remember bush saying was Kerry flip flops!

Not tonight he didn't.

Kerry answered more of the questions he was actually asked than Bush.

Kerry followed Bush's rules better than Bush.

Best presidential debate performance I've seen in years.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3203035 - 10/01/04 06:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

pinky, why do you think your analysis of something you didn't even watch is important enough to lock and stick at the top of the messageboard?
i have a lot of time for your views and thoughts but
this forum is not your personal soapbox.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3203056 - 10/01/04 07:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Bush gets a D- for his performance in the debate
you get an F for your analysis of the debate


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: infidelGOD]
    #3203197 - 10/01/04 09:29 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

your analysis of the debate was rightwingbiased.
you stickieng it, then making a seperate thread to have people analyze your analysis including a third-person self reference demonstrates you have a big ego and are insecure.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Phred]
    #3203214 - 10/01/04 09:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I hate to admit it but Kerry beat the shit out of Bush. Bush kept repeating the same ol shit over and over.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3203221 - 10/01/04 09:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I heard reference to Bush being jet lagged and exhuasted from visiting the hurricane victims in Florida on the same day. Granted, thats no excuse, the party should have planned the hurricane victim visit before or after and not on the day of debate.

But yeah, kerry did come out looking the better of the two. But we all know Bush isn't the greatest public speaker, he even makes fun of himself about it.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Stein]
    #3203227 - 10/01/04 09:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it will matter but Kerry did win that debate, not so much on the issues but rather the delivery.


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: mr crisper]
    #3203241 - 10/01/04 10:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

mr crisper said:
pinky, why do you think your analysis of something you didn't even watch is important enough to lock and stick at the top of the messageboard?
i have a lot of time for your views and thoughts but
this forum is not your personal soapbox.




I agree. Why did you close it and make another? What was wrong with stickying it, and leaving it open for critique ?


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Re: Critique pinky's analysis of the debate here [Re: Stein]
    #3203245 - 10/01/04 10:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I saw the interview on the Factor, and Bush looked solid. Then I saw Kerry twisting in the wind with Diane Sawyer. I figured this baby was over. John Kerry looked the best that he did in the entire campaign, and Bush failed to deliver a decent presentation on his strongest issue.

I still go with Bush on the issues. Kerry argues against Iraq, but he voted for it. If he really thinks that it was going to stretch us to thin or divert resources from the real target then he had no reason to vote for the war. He acts as though his vote isn't important but his public stance is. The reality is just the opposite. We couldn't have gone to war without Congress authorizing the use of force, and John Kerry gave that authorization.

I do like Kerry's message that he will win the war on Iraq. I have a hard time believing him, but I like the fact that our candidates are showing a united front in the resolve to win the war. I am still mad that the Kerry camp took shots at Allawi. Too bad the chimp couldn't do a better job of pointing that out.


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