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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211542 - 10/03/04 09:41 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

pinky, I should just do what everyone else is doing and tell you to give it a rest. But I'll humor you. I just watched it a few more times. Yep, he definitely pulls something from the his chest pocket and places it on the podium. And looks like it could be some kind of paper.... Here's the thing. Kerry definitely knew the rules of the debate. I don't think there's any question there. And Kerry isn't a total retard (insert your Kerry insult here)... Why would Kerry walk out and immediately pull a noticably large piece of paper from his CHEST pocket when there were a number of cameras on him, put it down on the podium and spend a few seconds looking at it????? There are dozens of stealthier ways to pull off such a fiendish trickery. As soon as you can give a solid explanation to why he made his cheating so blatant, I'll think about beginning to think about possibly agreeing with you.

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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: afoaf]
    #3211601 - 10/03/04 09:52 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I downloaded and watched several times a Quicktime video of it (only 840k so I didn't have to tie up my poor creaky dialup line all night).

Seeing it as motion rather than freezeframes makes it look more like a piece of folded paper than a 3x5 card. Looks like he unfolds it after putting it on the podium.

I guess no one here is concerned that whatever it was, it was against the rules agreed upon by both parties. But then, rules don't apply to the Dems, do they? They're expected to break the rules. Ho hum, nothing new, move on, get over it.

Still, I'd really like to know just what was on that paper. Maybe it was Kerry's still unsigned 180 form. Or an inspirational note written by his wife wishing him luck in the debate. Or maybe it wasn't a paper at all, maybe it was his "lucky hat" given to him by the CIA operative he inserted into Cambodia on one of his Swift Boat patrols.

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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Gijith]
    #3211605 - 10/03/04 09:53 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Appeal to ridicule?

he clearly pulls something out, just because it's brazen and retarded
if he were cheating doesn't necesarily mean that he's not brazen or
retarded enough to have cheated.


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211622 - 10/03/04 09:56 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
I downloaded and watched several times a Quicktime video of it (only 840k so I didn't have to tie up my poor creaky dialup line all night).

Seeing it as motion rather than freezeframes makes it look more like a piece of folded paper than a 3x5 card. Looks like he unfolds it after putting it on the podium.

I guess no one here is concerned that whatever it was, it was against the rules agreed upon by both parties. But then, rules don't apply to the Dems, do they? They're expected to break the rules. Ho hum, nothing new, move on, get over it.

Still, I'd really like to know just what was on that paper. Maybe it was Kerry's still unsigned 180 form. Or an inspirational note written by his wife wishing him luck in the debate. Or maybe it wasn't a paper at all, maybe it was his "lucky hat" given to him by the CIA operative he inserted into Cambodia on one of his Swift Boat patrols.

pinky




Calm down on the party line insults son. What I think is most relevant at this point is some contact with Jim Lehrer and the people in control of the debates. Maybe he asked for extra paper right before he walked out or something. Until ANY of the people present at the debate dispel the easy, simple and obvious answers I'm not going to believe some bogus partisan mud slinging. You of course are more then welcome to swallow it whole.


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211633 - 10/03/04 09:58 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Pinky, this is just sad watching you obsess over this. From the abuse of your mod powers with that one sticky thread(I've always thought of you as a fair mod, which made it all the more sickening to see you resort to that) to this thread, it's just so pathetic. Please, quit grasping at straws and just let it go. You're starting to look like the people who still complain about the outcome of the 2000 election.


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211638 - 10/03/04 09:59 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Let's say, for argument's sake, Kerry cheated in the debate.

Which is worse, cheating in a debate, or misleading your nation to war?


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Gijith]
    #3211643 - 10/03/04 10:00 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Gijith writes:

Yep, he definitely pulls something from the his chest pocket and places it on the podium. And looks like it could be some kind of paper.... Here's the thing. Kerry definitely knew the rules of the debate. I don't think there's any question there. And Kerry isn't a total retard (insert your Kerry insult here)... Why would Kerry walk out and immediately pull a noticably large piece of paper from his CHEST pocket when there were a number of cameras on him, put it down on the podium and spend a few seconds looking at it?????

Why would he repeatedly lie about so many other things that are so easily proven wrong? He thinks he can get away with it because he's John F Kerry (favorite saying, "Don't you know who I am?)

In my post analyzing the debate I pointed out a whole whap of things he said that were lies, and easily provable lies. He thinks he can get away with anything. And that was just at the debate! He's laid out tons more in the campaign, and reams and reams more during his political career.

Clearly he's not concerned with getting caught when he says things he knows are wrong. Why on earth should he think he'll get caught when he does things he knows are wrong?

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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: afoaf]
    #3211649 - 10/03/04 10:02 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
Appeal to ridicule?

he clearly pulls something out, just because it's brazen and retarded
if he were cheating doesn't necesarily mean that he's not brazen or
retarded enough to have cheated.




True... But it just seems so weird. If I was cheating on a test, which I've done many a time, this is the last way I would do it. I'd at least put it in my pant pocket. I mean he's standing behind a podium.

Alright, whatever.

How about honest speculation as to what was on this alleged piece of paper?

If I had to guess, I'd say a long list of negative statistics on Iraq. Or at least that's what I'd cheat with.

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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211664 - 10/03/04 10:05 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

You're assuming a lot about something that is very likely nothing.


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211670 - 10/03/04 10:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

inspirational note from wife
list of memorable facts
nude photo of dr laura
outline of canned responses
skull and bones manifesto


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3211679 - 10/03/04 10:10 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

silversoul7writes:

Pinky, this is just sad watching you obsess over this.

Who's obsessing? He broke the rules of the debate. Anyone who wathes the clips can see that. This isn't to say he would have done worse in the debate had he played by the rules, it just points out he at the very least broke the rules and at worst outright cheated.

From the abuse of your mod powers with that one sticky thread...

I'm sorry you see it as "abuse". I don't. The thread was stickied for an entire seven hours. Other threads have been stickied for weeks. If I'd known how rabid it would have made everyone, I wouldn't have stickied it.

If it had been Bush caught at this, the press would be all over it for weeks, the Anybody-but-Bush crowd in this forum would have been all over it for weeks, and you know that is true. Because it was Kerry, it doesn't matter.

If it doesn't bother you that one of the candidates in arguably the most important US election in decades can't be bothered living up to the agreement he signed, why does it bother you so much that I stickied a thread that you think is full of nonsense anyway? Can we say "hypocrisy"? They're just rules... who cares if they're followed, right?

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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211698 - 10/03/04 10:14 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah! Who cares!

Bush went over time on a question. This too was against the rules. Do you hear me calling him anything other than a loser?


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211711 - 10/03/04 10:17 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Pinky, are you going to reply to my responses on this or should I just give up? I still want to hear a quote from even one person in charge of the debates who can clarify that they have no idea what the paper was, what was on it and that it was not authorised and that they're investigating it now. Until then it's just mud slinging and spin.


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Rose]
    #3211721 - 10/03/04 10:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Cervantes writes:

You're assuming a lot about something that is very likely nothing.

I'm not assuming anything. From watching the clip several times, I am now pretty sure it was a folded piece of paper which he then unfolds. Watch the clips yourself and see. The motions of his hands on top of the podium look exactly like those of someone unfolding a paper. What is on that paper? I haven't a clue.

But again -- you know that if it had been Bush doing something like this, no one here would be saying, "it was probably nothing." You know there would have been not speculation, but absolute certainty that the paper contained a list of talking points.

Was Kerry's paper a list of talking points? There's no way of ever finding that out.

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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3211727 - 10/03/04 10:20 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I think everyone's wasting their energy getting all
spun up on drudge's headline of the hour.

let's see how this pans out and meet back here
in 12 hours...


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211750 - 10/03/04 10:23 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Have you even seen the debate yet Pinky? I know you saw a low resolution clip.

Sounds like a handkerchief to me... it was white, he took it out of a pocket. He unfolded it...

Now let me repeat myself:

Let's say, for argument's sake, Kerry cheated in the debate by unfolding an unsanctioned piece of paper?

Which is worse, cheating in a debate, or misleading your nation into a war that has cost over 1,000 American lives and countless Iraqi casulties?


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211839 - 10/03/04 10:43 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

this is so infantile.  You sound really upset that bush is going to lose.  :dancing: :dog: :hypno: :happyheart: :kodama: :megaman: :poop: :snub: :humpme:


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211943 - 10/03/04 11:08 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211964 - 10/03/04 11:14 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

LOL


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Re: Kerry cheats at first debate? [Re: Phred]
    #3211988 - 10/03/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

pinky, post some stills so everyone can see
:cheers:

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