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Re: Someone needs to read the Bill Of Rights [Re: BleaK]
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Iraq put themselves in ruin.

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Re: Someone needs to read the Bill Of Rights [Re: ]
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@ Bleak.. Exactly, it doesnt seem feasible to just up and move because of the country's drug policy. something heavier like religious persecution has been motive enough in the past for some people (not in the US). But then again, some of the drug policy kind of encroaches on some religions, no?


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Re: Someone needs to read the Bill Of Rights [Re: BleaK]
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bleak, what the fuck are you talking about.
we're losing a war in Iraq, yes.

we deposed an evil dictator, yes.
he tortured countless people and killed over three hundred thousand people. he used poison gas on the kurds, ever watched the video? ever read a god damn thing about Iraq?
http://www.krg.org/docs/articles/chivers-gas-effects-dec-2002.asp

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Re: Drug inclusive religions [Re: Crestfallen]
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these religions shouldn't be persecuted.
though, some are used as a curtain for drug use, which i despise.
for instance, my friend recently went Rasta, he's basically a joke, someone who is lost, and is usually his "religious" affiliation as a crutch for smoking pot and doing absolutely nothing for the world but smoking pot. i don't mean to knock on the real rastas, let em do there thing, but keep it in jamaica where it won't cause a fuss.

sure, you can join the native american church, if you're a legit native american. but it doesn't mean dropping peyote is a sacrament. very few natives actually used peyote, or psilocybin, as a sacrament. i've been to reservations in upstate NY that have hundreds of peyote plants, and you think their ancestors were using as a sacrament, i think not. not at all.

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Re: Drug inclusive religions [Re: ]
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Heh, I had a friend who went through a similar phase, had dreds and one of those rainbow colored hats and everything. Sort of an identity crisis I think. That all went away after he was busted.

Anyway. Yes, there are Native American Church members who drop peyote in the name of religious sacrament, that doesnt mean all do.
So wait, if their ancestors werent using for religious sacrament in religious ceremonies, it was just recreational? Even with all the ceremonial stuff thats involved?


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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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Read my singature. The government doesn't like that idea though. To support to war on drugs is to support the destrucion of your freedoms. I think theres many countrys better than the USA.

The first one that comes to mind is Amsterdam. Just look at their drug policies and they have some of the lowest drug abuse in the world.

You should never submit to your government. Sometimes change is needed. A big problem with the US government today is they are doing such a good job at controling the masses you don't even realize or care that your freedoms are disapearing right before your eyes.


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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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"our government is the greatest. its basically fact"
Nothing in this world is "BASICALLY" Fact.

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A Brief (and partial) History of US Sponsored Terrorism Abroad
from The Crows Eye, September 2001

1946-U.S. opens School of the Americas in Panama. Now located in Fort Benning, Georgia, the 'School of the Assassins' has taught over 60,000 personnel from some of the worlds most brutal regimes how to subvert the truth, to muzzle union leaders, activist clergy, and journalists, and to make war on their own people.

1951-CIA is involved in a coup to overthrow nationalist primeminister Dr. Muhammed Mossadeq in Iran. Supports Iranian military
in massacre of Mossadeq supporters and returns the Shah to power. In 1976, Amnesty International concluded that the Shah's CIA-trained security force, SAVAK, had the worst human rights record on the planet, and that the number and variety of torture techniques the CIA had taught SAVAK were "beyond belief."

1951-CIA involved in terror campaign against democratically elected Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. After Arbenz government is
overthrown, CIA backed regimes murder more than 100,000 Guatemalans over the next 40 years

1961- CIA recruits 1500 Cuban exiles to invade Cuba and overthrow the Castro regime. The Pay of Pigs invasion would be a disaster,
however the CIA would continue with more than two dozen attempts to kill Castro.

1963- The CIA have South Vietnemese president Ngo Dinh Diem overthrown and assasinated for supporting negotiations with the
north. After 20 years of covert war the U.S. turns to direct military invasion, in a war that costs tens of thousands of Vietnemese,
Cambodian and U.S. lives

1963-CIA recruits Iraqi Baath Party (including a young Saddam Hussein) to assasinate the new leader, Abdul-Karim Kassem.
After the coup, the CIA gave the Baath a long list of  communists and others to liquidate. During the 1980s the CIA would go on to
help provide weapons to both Iraq and Iran in a war that would kill over one million people.

1965-CIA provokes a coup that leads to the overthrow of Indonesian leader Sukarno, who is replaced by General Suharto. In the following weeks between 500,000 and one million people are murdered by death squads using lists provided by US State Department.

1973-After interfering in Chilean elections in 1958 and 1964, the CIA begins a campaigon of sabotage and terror after leftist Salvadore Allende is elected president in 1970. In 1973 , a CIA supported coup overthrew and assassinated Allende and installed fascist General Pinochet, resulting in thousands of murders over the next two decades. This year former U.S. secretary of state, Henry Kissinger was served an order from a French court to answer  for his role in the coup.

1979- After Nicaraguan dictator Samosa is overthrown in 1979, the CIA helps to train Samosa?s National Guard into death squads known as the Contras. The Contras are used to terrorize rural Nicaragua while the US military blockades Nicaragua?s harbours with mines. In 1989, after 10,000 deaths, the US is successful in ousting the Sandanista government.

1989- US invades Panama to overthrow and ?arrest? Manuel Noriega, who has been on the CIA payroll since 1966 and supported through decades of drug running, political assassination and corrupt elections.  After the invasion, which included the fire bombing of an entire urban ghetto, human rights observers uncover mass graves and estimate that over 4,000 died during the invasion.

1991- US and allies (mostly Britain) invade Iraq after U.S./CIA supported Sadam Hussein invades Kuwait. 200,000 Iraqis are killed, including over 400 civilians killed by two U.S. missiles in the Al-Amerya air shelter. Over the next 10 years another 400 tons of explosives will be dropped on Iraq killing another 300 civilians, and hundreds of thousands more starved through U.S. imposed sanctions. The U.S. forces Saudi Arabia to allow thousands of U.S. military to remain indefinetely within its boarders.

1998- Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan is bombed without warning by 13 U.S. cruise missiles killing a janitor.  The attack deprives Sudan of desperately needed medical drugs and potentially  killing tens of thousands of people. The CIA later admits that information linking the plant to Osama bin Laden was probably ?incorrect?  Due limitations of space I have not included the U.S. support of Israeli acts of terror against Palestinians, the atomic bombing of 200,000 civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the numerous other U.S. invasions south of the Rio Grande, the invasion of Grenada ,the 19th century war of terror against U.S. indigenous peoples or the 200 years of slave trade.  Source: The CIAs Greatest Hits by Mark Zapezauer 




Well that covers why the world does, domestically I assume it has to do with the steady decades long errosion of freedoms, jobs and the middle class.

By the way I may be canadian, and I say certain things that MAY make you assume I hate america, I DO NOT, in fact , I am more of an american patriot then my cousins who live actually there :wink:, the difference is I dont talk and pretend, I am the real deal, I KNOW what the forefathers stood for, and after reviewing the history its clear that if alive today, they would lead a new revolution.

Thats a FACT :wink:



"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate  the growth of private power  to a point where it becomes  stronger than their democratic state itself.  That, in essence, is fascism - ownership of government  by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling power. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing."
--President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. (One Thousand Americans, George Seldes, page 5.) 

Fascism with a smile and handshake and a nod  :smirk:

"The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them."
-- Albert Einstein [while living in Germany or USA?] letter to Sigmund Freud July 30, 1932.


"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not
blindly rally behind it ..."
-- General Douglas MacArthur, 1957.

"Of course, I have as much power as the President has."
-- Bill Gates, in "The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth", Wired, November 2000.  :rolleyes:


"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country...corporations have been enthroned and a era of corruption in high places will follow and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejuidices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." Abraham Lincoln


"We all know that, as things actually are many of the most influential and most highly remunerated members of the Bar in every center of wealth, make it their special task to work out bold and ingenious schemes by which their wealthy clients, individual or corporate, can evade the laws which were made to regulate, in the interests of the public, the use of great wealth." Teddy Roosevelt

Edited by Psilocybeingzz (09/08/04 01:52 AM)

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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as for the dutch, their cultural differences (ie there drug policy) isn't flawless. they do have a serious drug problem there. it is the second leading nation of drug exports in US dollars (second only to mexico).

Psilo- you just quoted a lot of stuff, and its pretty incoherent. basically you've summed up the twentieth century of american history as a brutal right wing state.

i think thats straight up bullshit. your quotes are so skewed its ridiculous. i don't think its "patriotic" of you to mislead a discussion with such a summation. where'd you get that timeline of american events? seems to leave out a considerable amount of information. looking at negativities such as those would lead one to think the american government is straight up evil. what about our role in ww II, women's suffrage, the civil rights movement (around the world), along with leading the free world.

i'm sick of all this conspiracy crap. that the US is as brutal as the next country. sure, we've done some fucked up shit, but everyone's got dirt on everyone. the US does not have a hitler, a Pol Pot, or a sadaam.

some of those government programs and such were fucked up, but by and large we've done a hell of a lot more good than any other country on the planet, can you refute that?

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The Sheeple Will Be Slaughtered [Re: ]
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jono1 said:

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the DEA, with all its downfalls, and propaganda, still does much good




:rolling on the floor laughing my Fucking ass off:

Edited by Dr. Wiggins (10/18/09 12:15 AM)

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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name a government, or form of government, that exist, and has relatively fewer problems than ours?

our government is the greatest. its basically fact.




Holland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Norway, Canada, Switzerland...... Your government isn't the greatest IMO.

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as for the dutch, their cultural differences (ie there drug policy) isn't flawless. they do have a serious drug problem there. it is the second leading nation of drug exports in US dollars (second only to mexico).




We do NOT have a serious drug problem in Holland, and if you call the export a problem it's created by countries with stupid drug laws. Drugs export is a problem for foreign countries with a different drug policy.

The fucking war on drugs is a PROBLEM!

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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You are blind to the facts my friend. How can you even sit there and say that sitting back and accepting unjust laws is the correct thing to do? How do you think womens suffrage, civil rights, and all that other shit you mentioned came into being? Someone has got to stand up for their beliefs, and the idea that it is unpatriotic to do so is absurd. This country was found upon people standing up for their beliefs and will continue to.

Sure, I too get annoyed with people who bitch and don't act. Everyone who sits around complaining should do something, wether it be as simple as voting, ar as complex as starting a peaceful protest.

You, I'm afraid, have been brainwashed into sitting around and allowing rich people to become richer. How hard is it to believe that the lead officials in "the most powerful and wealthy country in the world" have become power and money corrupt? I dont think that is too hard to grasp. Maybe if you did a little research yourself instead of just blowing down Psilo'squotes as bullshit you would find out where the come from, and find out they are reliable sources. I mean geeze, I learned some of that shit in modern history class in highschool, and to dismiss it as bullshit is very naive.

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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"some of those government programs and such were fucked up, but by and large we've done a hell of a lot more good than any other country on the planet, can you refute that? "

we have the highest prison population in the world

we have a huge drug problem. in fact, your own govt has admitted that the 40 billion wasted on the drug war (last year) was used to get less than one percent of all the drug trafficing in the united states!

that's 40 billion, for less than 1%???? shitty job if you ask me.

how about our cia using nazi's during the cold war?

the iran-contra scandel. remember folks, we gave/sold iraq weapons, many of which have been used on our own soldiers. we arm little countries and then shit on them bad.

vietnam war wasn't such a hot idea

neither was the korean war

and neither was desert storm

and neither was the time we blew up panama

and neither is this war with iraq

and neither is the war on drugs

and neither was the bomb on hiroshima

and neither was our above ground testing for nuclear weapons

and neither is the war on terror

why is it we are one of the most hated countries?

when we account for only 5% of the population, yet consumed 25 % of resources, yet WE tell OTHERS how to run their resources.

why are people told there is a seperation between church and state? especially when religions sponser people in power, and it even says in god we trust on our dollar bill.

why is fiat money used?


lots to think on no???


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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You have an odd take on the rest of the world.
were do you get your ideas about portugal for one?

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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look at portugal, perhaps the only country that has legalized all drugs. horrific drug addiction problems. at least from what i've hear. sure, they grow some potent ganga there. but drugs have taken over the youth, and are crippling their society. their government couldn't afford to keep up its war on drugs, which is a mixed blessing.




Portugal hasn't legalized all drugs, they were decriminalized which is a very different thing, means they don't treat you like a criminal, it's now a question of public health. In Portugal, if you are a consumer you don't go to jail but you might be forced to do some community work, loose your driver license, make regular urine or blood tests or go to a rehab facility among other penalties.
Portugal doesn't grow ganja but it mainly imports hashish from Morroco, there are few national growers. There's no such thing as "drugs have taken over the youth, and are crippling their society", heroine and cocaine consumption has decreased significantly, hashish and other THC derivatives are the most consumed drugs among portuguese youth but the levels are within european levels. Btw, legal analgesic drugs are selling less as time goes by, i wonder why :wink: ?

Also "their government couldn't afford to keep up its war on drugs". This is not true, it's a question of tolerance. This new attitude was taken after a national referendum and it's an answer to an increasing and demanding voice like the one you hate. "horrific drug addiction problems" ?!?! Portugal is the calmest european country: no wars, no terrorism, tolerant people, shitty economy, shitty leaders .... Nowadays in Portugal, nobody gives a fuck if you smoke a joint you know.

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i guess i don't understand how one can hate on a government that strives to protect the rights of all people.




Defending rights is a good thing but it's not the only aspect when it comes to analyze the behavior of a government. What about freedom ? Have you forgot they put people in prison just because they don't have the freedom to consume weed or mushrooms ? It's your damn freedom !! It's something you have to be pissed about when others try to control it, it's your body not theirs.
The US government is the worldwide prime example of drug paranoia and lack of freedom when it comes to such sensitive issue. Perhaps, has you were raised in the US, you are not fully aware of how differently some countries think or behave regarding this problem.

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if the US government sucks, why don't you leave, go to say, Canada, the Netherlands, or somewhere where you won't be "persecuted"




That reminds me about the positive aspects of my country. Believe me, being on the outside like i am, i can say the US is last country i would choose to live on. Not for their people but for their government...

MAIA


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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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you really think that the government keeps drugs away from children? beliving this is ignorant, plain and simple. since the government made these drugs illegal, there is no regulation on them, dealers don't card people anyone can buy them. yeah sure, they make a meth lab bust every now and then, with every one lab busted, five or ten fill it's place. the profits to be had from the balck market are just too irresistable. belive me, if your sister wants drugs, any drugs, she WILL get them. hell, some government againcies have played a role in smuggeling coke into the country, belive it or not *cough* *cough *CIA* *cough cough*.


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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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also, when they lock you up, take your home, children, money, car(s), and any other property you might have for growing a plant, people might start to get a little bit annoyed.


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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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for all the "freedom" we have, we have shit, we really do.


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Re: The Sheeple Will Be Slaughtered [Re: Dr. Wiggins]
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lmfao, so watching Conspiracy Theory was enough for jono1 to close the book on conspiracies forever? jeez.. this is the pub so i guess i'll refrain.

the whole american idea of "freedom" is BS.

freedom is not something that can be given out bullet by bullet
as we are led to believe. we have to BE free in order to say we HAVE freedom. the idea that we somehow magically obtained freedom by killing a few brits is ludacris, yet that's what it says in our textbooks.

im guessing jono1 went to public school in america so i can't really blame HIM entirely for his outlook.
what else do we expect when we're telling young kids in school that america is the greatest?

kids don't have to worry about tough things like those poor people over in that one country they saw a 15 minute video about in social studies class.
they have the clothes they need and food to eat every day and their teachers always said america is the greatest so they
think "america is the greatest" and that leaves their mind free to think about really important things like getting fucked up, having sex, and "fitting in" to society, which is VERY important because if you don't fit in in america you're pretty much screwed becuase hey.. america is the greatest!

if they grow up hearing that from supposed authority figures, of course they will believe it to be true. unfortunately all our so-called "teachers" have only been unconsciously reinforcing the lie.

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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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jono1 said:
and yet, people complain about it, bitching and moaning that our government doesn't allow us all the freedoms we demand.

"why is pot illegal?" "fuck the government" "BASTARDS" is what i hear from people, almost, if not always daily.

oh well, i say.

sometimes i wanna say "shut the fuck up!" to those people. it sounds like some kid, or adult, rebelling against a parent.

is anyone besides me sick of hearing about how much our (the US)government sucks?

sure, i say the DEA is fighting a losing battle against all drugs, though they should continue to fight some.
and cops can suck, though they do a lot of good, too.

i guess i'll say this: a large group of people around here oppose the United states government, and to have that opinion is pretty pathetic.



people complain because people want to make this country better. especially now, when this country has a long way to go to become greater. i love my country, and of course i think it could be a better system.

i have no problem with people vocalizing their problems with our country, thats what makes our country stronger in the long run. who cares if people oppose the gov't. Dont get your panties in a bunch if you see that opinion from people.. talking about drug policies in america. some peoples ideal view of our country (whether it is libertarian, conservative, liberal whatever) includes a repeal of drug laws. it does not mean you are un-american to take that stance.


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Re: why does the shroomery hate the US Government? [Re: ]
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is anyone besides me sick of hearing about how much our (the US)government sucks?





Nope, looks likeits just you so far :wink:

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