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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Lo-Z] * 2
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Lo-Z said:
I ate 0.5g of PE on Sunday and I was actually impressed with how..... weird I got. Always been interested in making a tea.

A buddy of mine ALWAYS pukes when he eats them. Does Tea and or Lemon tek help the stomach at all? I've hear a lot of people cant handle the chiton and it makes them sick to their stomachs. I want to eat some shrooms with him but hes always scared of the puking.

Any tips on that?


I usually always lemon tek. It helps with the nausea significantly, but not completely. For me anyway. I don't even bother getting fancy either. Soak, add sugar and water, chug (pieces and all).


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: RealityGlitch] * 2
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Good morning everyone! Thanks for all the versary congratulations yesterday.

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If you get very nauseous from cubes, try a different species. I always had some goofyness with cubes, it subsided at the peak. But it's just an extra layer of discomfort that doesn't have to be.

Of course there's always the twang on your serotonergic system that gives some purely somatic effects (tears and snot and intestines that go a bit fluttery). But with, say, Panaeolus sp, or ovoideocystidiata, or everything in sect. Zapotecorum, I consistently have no stomach issues. At all. Different strokes for different folks, but I see the pattern repeat in most people around me.

It's a very far stretch, but some Mixe and Zapotec curanderas / curanderos, for example, don't use cubes. At all. A lot of these people have extreme ball knowledge on mushrooms and they have clear preferences in what to pick. My guess is that has - at least in part - to do with stomach discomfort. The fact that cubes grow on shit will probably play a role too.


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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It’s not chitin it’s the serotonin receptors in your tummy, eating ginger helps because it binds to those receptors :yesnod:

Capsules definitely help and if it’s all too much you can always boof some tea :cool:


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Copy of comment with jazz (not my own):

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β€œShroom contain chitin, the stomach has a harder time digesting that.”

Chitin causing nausea is a myth, it’s a beneficial dietary fiber that is in literally all edible mushrooms, it is not causing the nausea psilocybin is.. Dietary fibers do not even need to be broken down though humans do have two different types of chitinase enzymes that can break down chitin, AMCase and CHIT1.

β€œmany studies now confirm that POTENT CHITINASES do occur in vertebrates, including humans, and ARE ABUNDANT IN THE HUMAN GUT" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0928468018300233

"Humans, along with many other primates, have a functional gene for this enzyme, so it's possible that we can actually process chitin in our guts. That said, even if we couldn't, it would just get passed through our system, just like the cellulose in celery and other vegetables." https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32GB9GE

β€œChitin contains 90.6% of total dietary fiber (Maezaki, Yamazaki, Mizuochi, & Tsuji, 1993) and it can be defined as a functional food component providing special benefits to food, for instance contributing to colonic health, coronary artery health, and cholesterol reduction amongst many othersβ€œ https://archive.ph/YVBET

Psilocybin/psilocin work on serotonin receptors and ~95% of our bodies serotonin is located in the digestive system where one of its functions is the chemical signal for nausea. That is the the real cause of the stomach discomfort from psychedelic mushrooms, and also why it is common in the studies that use synthesized psilocybin.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3919396/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0014299913007589

https://psychedelicreview.com/binding-of-psilocin-and-psilocybin-to-serotonin-receptors



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Edited by Tri (11/12/26 03:58 AM)

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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Tri] * 2
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I like making my tea into jello. Red Starburst flavor covers all sins.


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Tri]
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A lot of people report nausea and upset stomach that is resolved by having tea instead of eating fruits, so I think l there is some sort of intolerance to actual mushroom matter. When I eat dried fruits, or even chocolates made with mush powder, I spend part of trip puking and shitting. This wasn't always the case though. I had dozens of trips prior where I was able to consume dried fruits without issue.


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Tight Lunchbox] * 1
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It's the psychoactive compounds themselves. It's not the mushroom flesh primarily.
Serotonin receptors in your stomach get triggered and make you feel sick. Chitin can make your stomach upset but it doesn't make you fully feel like you wanna vomit like psychedelics do.


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 4
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That is contrary to my experience though. When I do not consume the mushroom fruit bodies I don't experience nausea and upset stomach.


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Tight Lunchbox] * 1
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I'd have to agree with those who say it's more than the serotonin receptors in the gut. A factor, for some yeah- since you say yourself Genesis "not the flesh primarily".

I have a definite uptick in a certain type of sick feeling when dry fruits are consumed, vs tea, lemon tek or evn fresh fruit ingestion.

Last time I tripped it was cubes in caps, and I don't remember the last time I felt that 'poisoned' but I can guarantee it will have involved capsulated mushrooms lol.
I stopped using vegan caps who had unreliable dissolution, I make them nice and loose too, sure it's more caps to swallow but less dense shroombergs, still I felt sick as fuck.

Psilo itsself- from tea even, has ocassionaly given me a presumed recptor feeling in the gut, a sickish feeling I've had also on LSD.
But it's way different to how the nausea and resultant bodyload loop I seen to get from both capsuling or straight eating dried fruits, i'd say thats ["that" being the presumed serptonin receptor feeling] more like a cramping kinetic feeling :shrug:

It doesnt have to be chitin but I do know my brain and body telling each other "WE'RE POISONED!" whenever I have a bellyfull of untreeated, dry shrooms. Sort of feel like perhaps conditioned to it even, at this point.

:edit: tried to clear it up

Edited by Lithop (11/12/26 12:27 PM)

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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Lithop] * 1
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We started making smoothies out of fruit, yogurt and fresh mushrooms and it goes down pretty easy without any fuss.  Less chewing and less raw mushroom flavor. I like a hefty dose and if I'm not making tea I prefer to eat them with other foods. Folded in pizza or whatnot. But with the abundance I grow them I just usually load up a pot of tea with an absurd amount and drink the magic potion.

I frequently suffer from shortness of breath on the onset until I tell myself "you can breathe fine, just breathe normally" and then I talk myself out of the shortness of breath my body imposes on me for whatever reason.


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: thumbsy]
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I'm always surprised there's less talk of cooked shrooms when this subject comes up. I haven't done it a lot, but fresh cooked were quite tasty. been meaning to try hydrating dry then cooking too. like with non actives :shrug:


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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Mackload] * 1
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@thumbsy I have definitely employed a pizza slice or 2 before
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@Mackload, any attempt I've made to actually cook freshies into stuff, tended to make wish I'd just eaten them & the food/soup seperately. Except with ochra in salad a few times but its not "cooked"

I've found a few fresh psilocybin containing shrooms good with raw  red pepper.

What did you cook fresh into, and what would you (quite atrociously) put rehdyrated dried shrooms into?

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Re: The Cultivation Confessional Booth - The OFFICIAL Cultivation Off Topic Discussion [Re: Lithop]
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added cooked to ramen. small amount but tasty. I saw Alan Rockefeller say in an interview it was usually sautΓ©ed in butter for him, and like, I'm gonna respect his takes lol. I guess it would've been done already if it was worth doing. But I wouldn't want any other mushrooms dry or uncooked either :shrug:


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