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A new way I’m looking at time (new for me)
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Recently I came upon the idea that the past trickles off behind us from the present, as in, not viewing time as linear.

Viewing the present as the centre of a splash in a pond, the past and future both ripple outward from this very moment.

I think it’s a beautiful idea.

It makes me think of time in a more geometric way… less like it’s a mysterious force or something, and more like it’s just ripples flowing in all directions.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: Bardy] * 1
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the future for me is the leading edge of the present which I am just getting in touch with, while the recent past is resonating away in all directions from which I am experiencing right after the leading edge.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
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Yeah I can visualise that too, nice :thumbup:

How can the present have a leading edge though I wonder? Maybe I shouldn’t think of the present as a point..


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: Bardy]
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My view is that time is a mathematical artifact that makes more sense as an ordinal index, rather than something that effects change itself.

Not sure if thats easily visualisable though.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: sudly]
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Your timescape binge may have merit to it in that regard.

Think of it like an old guest to the cosmos. We're inhabitants - derived from the latter.

The former - an enlightened shadow.

Or a weird fish that moves (/is) the 'living-waters' of the cosmic sea.

:lol:


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Timescape is a possible later application of my framework, rather than the basis of my view of time. That view comes from distinguishing the ordering of physical change from what carries persistence through it.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: sudly]
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are you amending physics?


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
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I’m exploring a framework in which physical persistence and change belong to three-dimensional spatial geometry, with time serving only as an ordering index. That relegates time to a mathematical artefact rather than a physical thing or fundamental temporal dimension. At this stage, that’s a proposed conceptual framework, rather than a worked out amendment to physical theory.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: sudly]
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What is the opposite of physical persistence?


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: Bardy]
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Impermanence
Temporariness
Transience
Ephemerality
(Mutability
Transformativity)


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: redgreenvines]
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So is physical persistence a state of mind?

I was under the impression he was talking about a classical physical model. Sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me but I’ve said this before :shrug:

But then again maybe that’s the point :lol:

I don’t mean this in a nasty way btw, Sudly. If anything, the lack of meaning which comes across to me from your big word sentences serves to make me realise that all words do a similarly poor job of describing reality.


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Edited by Bardy (09/14/26 08:54 PM)

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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: Bardy] * 1
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Bardy said:
What is the opposite of physical persistence?


By persistence, I mean something like the continuity of a seed lineage across generations, even as its genome diversifies and its organisation changes. What persists is carried forward through successive seeds.

The opposite would be the ending of that continuity, such as the lineage dying out. Change is compatible with persistence because the inherited organisation can change while continuing through subsequent generations. That is a physical process, independent of anyone thinking about it.

That is the idea of persistence I’m translating into physics. I propose that spatial geometry fulfils an analogous role, with each resulting geometric organisation becoming the inherited basis of the next transition. Persistence refers to continuity through those changes, without requiring the organisation to remain unchanged.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: sudly]
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You’re certainly making a splash aren’t you?


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: sudly]
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are you linking gravity to persistence and the slowing of time?


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: redgreenvines]
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"The most important thing I learned on Tralfamadore was that when a person dies he only appears to die. He is still very much alive in the past, so it is very silly for people to cry at his funeral. All moments, past, present and future, always have existed, always will exist. The Tralfamadorians can look at all the different moments just that way we can look at a stretch of the Rocky Mountains, for instance. They can see how permanent all the moments are, and they can look at any moment that interests them. It is just an illusion we have here on Earth that one moment follows another one, like beads on a string, and that once a moment is gone it is gone forever.

When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in bad condition in that particular moment, but that the same person is just fine in plenty of other moments. Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is "So it goes."

-Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse Five

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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: CreonAntigone]
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There is no person, there’s just part of the universe constantly arranging itself into different patterns and forms.

When a Tralfamadorian sees a cow, does he just think that it’s a person in bad form?


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: Bardy]
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Wouldn't a cow, at least if it's on a free-range farm, be in a better position than a human being?

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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: CreonAntigone]
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Two times ago, when I got reincarnated, I came back as a cow. It wasn’t all it was mooed up to be.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
are you linking gravity to persistence and the slowing of time?


Within this framework, I wouldn’t interpret gravity as slowing time itself, because time serves only as an ordinal index of physical succession. If gravity influences the physical changes a clock undergoes, that would be interesting to explore. The question would concern how physical processes progress relative to one another, with time indexing those changes without producing or carrying them.

Another direction concerns my proposal that matter alone need not exhaust the total angular momentum budget, because intrinsic geometric organisation and variation may also contribute. Propagating torsion is so far the only means I’ve identified through which that intrinsic geometric variation might contribute, including through its interaction with curvature and the connection. Whether this could help establish a role for gravity remains a further question. Exploring that possibility is a potential next step, but the role itself has yet to be established.


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Re: A new way I’m looking at time (new for me) [Re: sudly]
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Well we know gravity influences everything and is an inherent part of everything. Physically speaking, it influences the changes of literally everything. It’s just a different way of measuring this thing we call the universe.

It’s been experimentally proven that gravity and what we call time are intertwined, two faces of the same coin. Which shouldnt be surprising really… everything is connected. It would be a shock to find out two pervasive aspects of the universe weren’t related to each other at all.

Why do I do this to myself…


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