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Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy
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Hi. First time poster here.

I'm preparing to take mushrooms for the first time in the hope that they'll help with my treatment-resistant depression. I'm not currently on any meds whatsoever.

I've read often that psychedelics work best when combined with traditional psychotherapy - typically a couple of sessions with a therapist to prepare for the trip followed by a couple afterwards to debrief, reflect and process. Here in New Zealand, this type of psychedelic therapy is currently available through just one doctor and costs tens of thousands of dollars.

My questions are: What can I do to prepare MYSELF for my trip? What can I do MYSELF after my trip to make the most of my experience? Are there books I can read or any kind of tutorials I can follow? Also, I can't think of anyone I'd like to have as my trip sitter. Is there anything other than a human being that can fulfill this role, such as an audio recording?

I'd like to maximise my chances of getting benefits from my trip rather than simply take some mushrooms and hope for the best. I'm hoping this community can point me towards some useful resources.

Many thanks!

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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: OShroomessay] * 2
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first, welcome to the shroomery

second, i am not a doctor or qualified to give advice on this in any capacity

it's not a good idea to take a large quantity of shrooms in hopes of it being a magic bullet for depression. sometimes it can be of help, sometimes the experience can exacerbate problems.

speaking for myself, i found that shrooms were of great auxiliary value in my battle against ptsd, but i wouldn't have had that success without also having done emdr therapy. that's just one form of therapy tailored for one form of depression, though. everyone's got their own nuance.

tens of thousands of dollars for "psychedelic therapy" is ridiculous and sounds like some opportunist looking to take desperate people for a ride. seek the normal type of therapy for whatever it is you're suffering from, and do it in earnest, put your trust in the process, and at your own discretion and in your own private time you could try shrooms to help integrate things. start with low doses and work your way up to whatever feels comfortable and good.

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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: OShroomessay]
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should also add that you have the option of testing the waters with smaller doses before jumping in the deep end. your first time doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing big hurrah. if you're concerned about needing a sitter, this could help you get acclimated to the feeling of shrooms without being completely taken over by it.

there is plenty to be gained from lower doses and you will run a lower risk of being overwhelmed by the ineffable loss of control

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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: Belome] * 3
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A recipe for first time alone,

low dose, prepare the environment as a simple place of healing, clean, ccomfortable, maybe a few inspirational objects, flowers, fruit, soothing images and sounds, and be friendly and calming to yourself for 7 hours.

you can use drawing, or a movie or cartoon or music as a distraction activity  within your trip space.

avoid answering emails or messages or the phone if possible, and if you do respond, relax back into your gentleness.


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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: redgreenvines]
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I recommend you prearrange a playlist of music that you enjoy and is pleasant to listen to while you trip.

And it would be even better if you have a friend who can supervise you while you trip and they stay sober.

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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: anarchyfan]
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Start low and slow, Dude.

Why not work up in half gram increments. See how it goes.

If you do have mental health problems sometimes schrooms can help, sometimes it can make them worse. Please be careful


I remember a guy in a head shop in Amsterdam full of bravado ordering a couple of bags of schrooms/philosophers stones. He was saying he wanted to see god. The staff were advising him it wasn't a good idea.

I saw him a couple of hours later, his girlfriend was trying to control/baby sit him. Apparently he indeed did meet god and then he got chased around by green dragons. He wasn't in a good place while walking the streets of Amsterdam. I advised her to go to a quality smart shop and take him in and show him to them and try and get some benzo's to calm him down.

I always wonder how good their night would have been if they had only had a quarter of the schrooms, they would have been laughing and giggling and enjoying their night. I don't know who I felt the most sorry for, the guy or the girl baby sitting him.

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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: Two bit]
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You need to do some reading.

There is a lot of info out there on how to prepare for a trip and set an intention. Try https://www.tripsitters.org/journey.

Assuming you've done a few smaller doses so you understand what the experience is like, it's still a good idea to have a friend with you or, at least, close enough to come over if you need help. Chances are very good you won't. Remember two things: 1) nothing external is working on you and therefore you can't be harmed; 2) if you run from something frightening, it will follow you. Your opportunity is to face it and ask what it wants you to see.

I would select a good 6-8 hour playlist designed for psilocybin. There are a ton on Spotify. I like East Forest's Music for Mushrooms. https://open.spotify.com/album/2LFyfGcBrrsvF8tECUs5gK?si=vY3d3CoHRTKGaFNI0mR-FQ

Prepare your place. I clean and put everything away so I am not distracted. I also prepare a small altar close to me - candles, flowers, perhaps a picture - to feel some sense of reverence. You will need an eye mask, water, something to write on, and a comfortable sofa.

Finally, and most importantly, you will need an integrator to help you process. There are many online, and the cost is considerably less than what you indicated. A few hundred per hour.

Good luck.

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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: Belome] * 1
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Belome said:
first, welcome to the shroomery

second, i am not a doctor or qualified to give advice on this in any capacity

it's not a good idea to take a large quantity of shrooms in hopes of it being a magic bullet for depression. sometimes it can be of help, sometimes the experience can exacerbate problems.

speaking for myself, i found that shrooms were of great auxiliary value in my battle against ptsd, but i wouldn't have had that success without also having done emdr therapy. that's just one form of therapy tailored for one form of depression, though. everyone's got their own nuance.

tens of thousands of dollars for "psychedelic therapy" is ridiculous and sounds like some opportunist looking to take desperate people for a ride. seek the normal type of therapy for whatever it is you're suffering from, and do it in earnest, put your trust in the process, and at your own discretion and in your own private time you could try shrooms to help integrate things. start with low doses and work your way up to whatever feels comfortable and good.


Yes, the last paragraph here is what I did. Psychotherapy with some mushrooms use at home.

Trip sitters can be anyone. I wouldn't advice anything other than an human sitter, however you don't need a sitter if you don't feel like you need one.


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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: ellamush]
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A piece of advice from my experienced dumb ass: no matter how much you wanna shower mid trip, don't do it lol.

It's a sensory nightmare


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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: ellamush]
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hahaha,

anyway, paying a well meaning and informed person to be a tripsitter supports the gig economy, just saying.


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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: redgreenvines]
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Well fuck ain't that the truth.

I would love to be a trip sitter. I applied once to do it as a nurse capacity. It would have been fucking cool.


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Re: Expensive psychedelic therapy vs Do-it-yourself psychedelic therapy [Re: ellamush] * 1
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Welcome OShroomessay.

To maximize benefits I’d look toward multiple trips. Mushrooms dissolve boundaries (our existing beliefs). It takes time to work through the mind’s layers. Big changes, like tackling depression, will likely take repeated efforts.

Agreed. Go low and slow.

Personally, I go alone. It’s free. $10,000 — gulp.

Remember to surrender.


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