Nokumana said:

Is this conversation strictly about rock drummers? My musical tastes and experience is pretty widely varied but most of my favorite drummers are on the funk/soul side of the spectrum:
Zigiboo Modeliste, Russel Batiste (RIP), Ritchie Hayward (RIP), David Garibaldi (Tower of power), to name a few.

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AZ Starman2112 said:

So many drummers that haven’t been mentioned here. There are really some guys that stand out that aren’t mainstream in the popular eyes that are just phenomenal. Also guys in the bands of solo acts that just never even get their name out because their just not out there in front or even get to been seen or acknowledged.

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Nokumana said:

Is this conversation strictly about rock drummers? My musical tastes and experience is pretty widely varied but most of my favorite drummers are on the funk/soul side of the spectrum:
Zigiboo Modeliste, Russel Batiste (RIP), Ritchie Hayward (RIP), David Garibaldi (Tower of power), to name a few.

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Thanks for these, my friend. I've been diggin' funk/soul lately & this helps me expand my listening!

B Traven said:

Gilmour Hendrix said:

Tim Alexander, Terry Bozzio, Ginger Baker and Dale Crover are some of my favorite drummers.

Edit: Ginger Baker should need no explanation. Tim is from early Primus (Frizzle Fry, Sailing the Seas of Cheese, Pork Soda), Terry Bozzio played for Zappa, Dale Crover of Melvins. Houdini, Stag, and Stoner Witch are my favorite Melvins albums. Throw Bullhead in there too.

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No love for Gluey Porch Treatments?

I don't know how true this is, but my dad told me that Ginger Baker busted his ass and got real good because he thought he was the worst player in Cream.

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Gilmour Hendrix said:

B Traven said:

Gilmour Hendrix said:

Tim Alexander, Terry Bozzio, Ginger Baker and Dale Crover are some of my favorite drummers.

Edit: Ginger Baker should need no explanation. Tim is from early Primus (Frizzle Fry, Sailing the Seas of Cheese, Pork Soda), Terry Bozzio played for Zappa, Dale Crover of Melvins. Houdini, Stag, and Stoner Witch are my favorite Melvins albums. Throw Bullhead in there too.

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No love for Gluey Porch Treatments?

I don't know how true this is, but my dad told me that Ginger Baker busted his ass and got real good because he thought he was the worst player in Cream.

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I'm not as familiar with that album. I'll listen to it on the way home from work this afternoon.

Check out some of the documentaries on GB. It's very interesting.

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B Traven said:

The reality is that Ringo Starr WAS an incredible drummer. He did exactly what needed to be done across their entire catalog, and was able to bring needed art and technique while still remaining largely invisible.

I totally understand all the reasons that people hate The Beatles, including just basic aesthetic ones, but I still think one has to acknowledge WHAT they did, and WHEN. And I mean, specifically, physically, what they did. Touring, recording, and generating that much truly original content was a whole other ball of wax in those days.

I confess that I understand the appeal and technical/artistic genius of Queen, but still can't stand them. I go back and forth on The Beatles. Listened to them a bunch in early adolescence, but I feel like that's mandatory for a lot of kids.

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AstroSporeFiend said:

B Traven said:

The reality is that Ringo Starr WAS an incredible drummer. He did exactly what needed to be done across their entire catalog, and was able to bring needed art and technique while still remaining largely invisible.

I totally understand all the reasons that people hate The Beatles, including just basic aesthetic ones, but I still think one has to acknowledge WHAT they did, and WHEN. And I mean, specifically, physically, what they did. Touring, recording, and generating that much truly original content was a whole other ball of wax in those days.

I confess that I understand the appeal and technical/artistic genius of Queen, but still can't stand them. I go back and forth on The Beatles. Listened to them a bunch in early adolescence, but I feel like that's mandatory for a lot of kids.

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You make a good Ringo point and I’ll concede to that. I guess being in a band with 3 (maybe 4, since Paul is dead) megalomaniacs who were always arguing will make someone fade into the background. I don’t ever say the Beatles suck, just that I never quite got the appeal. I’m also in the minority with this opinion, so it probably stems from being inundated with them during my grammar years.

I’m kinda with you with Queen. Massive talent and wrote amazing stuff, I just never really could get down with it.

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tryptkaloids said:

AstroSporeFiend said:

B Traven said:

The reality is that Ringo Starr WAS an incredible drummer. He did exactly what needed to be done across their entire catalog, and was able to bring needed art and technique while still remaining largely invisible.

I totally understand all the reasons that people hate The Beatles, including just basic aesthetic ones, but I still think one has to acknowledge WHAT they did, and WHEN. And I mean, specifically, physically, what they did. Touring, recording, and generating that much truly original content was a whole other ball of wax in those days.

I confess that I understand the appeal and technical/artistic genius of Queen, but still can't stand them. I go back and forth on The Beatles. Listened to them a bunch in early adolescence, but I feel like that's mandatory for a lot of kids.

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You make a good Ringo point and I’ll concede to that. I guess being in a band with 3 (maybe 4, since Paul is dead) megalomaniacs who were always arguing will make someone fade into the background. I don’t ever say the Beatles suck, just that I never quite got the appeal. I’m also in the minority with this opinion, so it probably stems from being inundated with them during my grammar years.

I’m kinda with you with Queen. Massive talent and wrote amazing stuff, I just never really could get down with it.

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Ive noticed the Beatles are only viewed that way by people after their time.

The Beatles drove a musical revolution. So many firsts came from them

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AstroSporeFiend said:

tryptkaloids said:

AstroSporeFiend said:

B Traven said:

The reality is that Ringo Starr WAS an incredible drummer. He did exactly what needed to be done across their entire catalog, and was able to bring needed art and technique while still remaining largely invisible.

I totally understand all the reasons that people hate The Beatles, including just basic aesthetic ones, but I still think one has to acknowledge WHAT they did, and WHEN. And I mean, specifically, physically, what they did. Touring, recording, and generating that much truly original content was a whole other ball of wax in those days.

I confess that I understand the appeal and technical/artistic genius of Queen, but still can't stand them. I go back and forth on The Beatles. Listened to them a bunch in early adolescence, but I feel like that's mandatory for a lot of kids.

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You make a good Ringo point and I’ll concede to that. I guess being in a band with 3 (maybe 4, since Paul is dead) megalomaniacs who were always arguing will make someone fade into the background. I don’t ever say the Beatles suck, just that I never quite got the appeal. I’m also in the minority with this opinion, so it probably stems from being inundated with them during my grammar years.

I’m kinda with you with Queen. Massive talent and wrote amazing stuff, I just never really could get down with it.

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Ive noticed the Beatles are only viewed that way by people after their time.

The Beatles drove a musical revolution. So many firsts came from them

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You know, you make a good point, Tryp. I’d have to put myself in the mindset of a 1950s soda jerk. Most mainstream culture was pretty watered down at that point. And here come 4 bowl cuts from the UK to shake things up a bit. Looking back on things, I guess it’s easy to overlook their influence on music and culture. But if one was there in that moment, I’m sure it was much more obvious.

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ambigu said:

Dave Weckl hasn’t been mentioned yet. That guy can play the drums as well.

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B Traven said:

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The reality is that Ringo Starr WAS an incredible drummer. He did exactly what needed to be done across their entire catalog, and was able to bring needed art and technique while still remaining largely invisible.

I totally understand all the reasons that people hate The Beatles, including just basic aesthetic ones, but I still think one has to acknowledge WHAT they did, and WHEN. And I mean, specifically, physically, what they did. Touring, recording, and generating that much truly original content was a whole other ball of wax in those days.

I confess that I understand the appeal and technical/artistic genius of Queen, but still can't stand them. I go back and forth on The Beatles. Listened to them a bunch in early adolescence, but I feel like that's mandatory for a lot of kids./quote
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You make a good Ringo point and I’ll concede to that. I guess being in a band with 3 (maybe 4, since Paul is dead) megalomaniacs who were always arguing will make someone fade into the background. I don’t ever say the Beatles suck, just that I never quite got the appeal. I’m also in the minority with this opinion, so it probably stems from being inundated with them during my grammar years.

I’m kinda with you with Queen. Massive talent and wrote amazing stuff, I just never really could get down with it./quote
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Ive noticed the Beatles are only viewed that way by people after their time.

The Beatles drove a musical revolution. So many firsts came from them/quote
You know, you make a good point, Tryp. I’d have to put myself in the mindset of a 1950s soda jerk. Most mainstream culture was pretty watered down at that point. And here come 4 bowl cuts from the UK to shake things up a bit. Looking back on things, I guess it’s easy to overlook their influence on music and culture. But if one was there in that moment, I’m sure it was much more obvious./quote
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A similar issue arises with a lot of early punk bands now. Bands that sound exactly like the dozens of other bands who copied them.

There's also just the passage of time. People who start off strong and then die young tend to be idolized. People who start off strong and then end up working acwolid career for multiple decades tend to b3come just household names. Those who start off strong and then end up going off the tails tend to be retroactively trashed and villainized. Even though the third option is probably the most common one for artists, aside from just retiring while you're ahead and doing something else.

It's entirely possible that you wouldn't have liked The Beatles much back in rye day, either. I figure if I brought my current self back to those days, I'd probably be most interested in The Animals. But I don't think we could have denied the revolution that was happening.

But in all seriousness, I think that most of the music I listen to has some sort of technical roots in what The Beatles and Sabbath did. Between those two, I think you can find blueprints for a lot of stuff that came much later.

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ReverendMyc said:

I can't think of many (any?) ground breaking artist of any kind that are consistently excellent throughout a life long career. Except Pink Floyd, of course. Kidding, I don't love the Roger Waters dominant years as much. I can happily skip the Wall and Final Cut on most play throughs.

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