Dumpwrings said:

Appreciate the reply. I started moving them into the tub part of the bathroom during the day and they get nice filtered light through bathroom privacy windows. I get caught between not being a helicopter parent but also not wanting to not monitor at all, and that causes me to tweak little things here and there to make sure the conditions stay nice.

I like that reference about it being good if I’m good haha, again thanks! Always appreciate the insight and guidance.

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B Traven said:

Fungustavo said:

I don't know if matters of Harvesting fit in here, but thought I'd bring it up after reading a post just today on another platform.

Is the idea that 'Harvesting should be done before the veils break, for maximum potency/because the dropped spores will inhibit future flushes' something that needs to be considered outdated info?


From what I've read on threads here, it only really matters for aesthetic and spore print purposes, but seems a lot of new hobbyists (myself included) get a bit concerned about it.


Also, this thread was a good read, many thanks!

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Yeah, I don't think there's any merit to the idea that spores inhibit future flushes, though a really heavy drop could make the substrate a pain in the ass to work with. And Harvesting/processing fruits which have dropped spores WILL stain your fingers dark purple.

But also, I take issue with the whole idea of "harvest at xyz point." Especially on a first grow. It's not weed. Fruits at any stage of development will make you trip. Some genetics will continue to pump out crazy stem growth long after opening up and dropping spores, so in my view, there's not even a consistent point of maximum weight gain. And anyway, there's debate over the concentration of actives at different stages. Once you've managed to get to a reasonably clean fruiting situation, you'll end up with way more than you need to trip your brains out. If you're going for bulk , then you kinda gotta figure out your optimal harvesting strategy yourself. Ideally, fruits should be picked before they start to rot. Everything else is up to you. Well, technically, even THAT is up to you, nobody's gonna stop you from eating half-rotten fruit or picking out the bad bits or making tea with it. Maybe you have a stomach of steel and don't give a shit.

I personally pick whenever and however I feel like it, often based on when I have time to harvest and process fruit. With multiple tubs going at once, all in slightly different stages, that could mean picking everything from blown-out stem monsters to reasonably accessible pins in one session. It's all getting ground up and mixed together anyway, so I could give a fuck about bag appeal. The next person might want picture-perfect toadstools, or have a particular preference as to wha they like to eat.

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tryptkaloids said:

Id prove them wrong.

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cornwallacediggler said:

B Traven said:

Fungustavo said:

I don't know if matters of Harvesting fit in here, but thought I'd bring it up after reading a post just today on another platform.

Is the idea that 'Harvesting should be done before the veils break, for maximum potency/because the dropped spores will inhibit future flushes' something that needs to be considered outdated info?


From what I've read on threads here, it only really matters for aesthetic and spore print purposes, but seems a lot of new hobbyists (myself included) get a bit concerned about it.


Also, this thread was a good read, many thanks!

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Yeah, I don't think there's any merit to the idea that spores inhibit future flushes, though a really heavy drop could make the substrate a pain in the ass to work with. And Harvesting/processing fruits which have dropped spores WILL stain your fingers dark purple.

But also, I take issue with the whole idea of "harvest at xyz point." Especially on a first grow. It's not weed. Fruits at any stage of development will make you trip. Some genetics will continue to pump out crazy stem growth long after opening up and dropping spores, so in my view, there's not even a consistent point of maximum weight gain. And anyway, there's debate over the concentration of actives at different stages. Once you've managed to get to a reasonably clean fruiting situation, you'll end up with way more than you need to trip your brains out. If you're going for bulk , then you kinda gotta figure out your optimal harvesting strategy yourself. Ideally, fruits should be picked before they start to rot. Everything else is up to you. Well, technically, even THAT is up to you, nobody's gonna stop you from eating half-rotten fruit or picking out the bad bits or making tea with it. Maybe you have a stomach of steel and don't give a shit.

I personally pick whenever and however I feel like it, often based on when I have time to harvest and process fruit. With multiple tubs going at once, all in slightly different stages, that could mean picking everything from blown-out stem monsters to reasonably accessible pins in one session. It's all getting ground up and mixed together anyway, so I could give a fuck about bag appeal. The next person might want picture-perfect toadstools, or have a particular preference as to wha they like to eat.

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Ohhh boy... I totally agree with you. As a bulk producer myself though Im essentially obligated to make the bag appeal as pretty as possible in order to consistently move tens of lbs of fungi. Open caps and Spored out fruits are buyers favorite things to bitch about. Ive had this argument with so many people...A lot of people try to say "once the cap is bigger than a thumbnail it quits producing psilocybin" lmao 😂 And im talking people that will purchase 20 to 100+ lbs actually believe this BS and spread it around. Its been repeated over and over on the west coast... But yeah at the very least spores make the end product ugly and mostly closed caps and uniform fruits add to bag appeal. If youre not moving weight then this obviously matters a whole lot less. Its been a subject of lot sof frustration though. Basically I err on the side of harvesting early on spore dropping strains... I highly favor albino genetics that look cool with open caps (avery , TAT) or non sporey and non noticible open cap strains like PE varieties (Melmac ❤️❤️❤️❤️). Ive still had customers bitch about averies or tats with open wavy caps that look beautiful repeating the same open cap fucking bullshit...

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B Traven said:

cornwallacediggler said:

B Traven said:

Fungustavo said:

I don't know if matters of Harvesting fit in here, but thought I'd bring it up after reading a post just today on another platform.

Is the idea that 'Harvesting should be done before the veils break, for maximum potency/because the dropped spores will inhibit future flushes' something that needs to be considered outdated info?


From what I've read on threads here, it only really matters for aesthetic and spore print purposes, but seems a lot of new hobbyists (myself included) get a bit concerned about it.


Also, this thread was a good read, many thanks!

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Yeah, I don't think there's any merit to the idea that spores inhibit future flushes, though a really heavy drop could make the substrate a pain in the ass to work with. And Harvesting/processing fruits which have dropped spores WILL stain your fingers dark purple.

But also, I take issue with the whole idea of "harvest at xyz point." Especially on a first grow. It's not weed. Fruits at any stage of development will make you trip. Some genetics will continue to pump out crazy stem growth long after opening up and dropping spores, so in my view, there's not even a consistent point of maximum weight gain. And anyway, there's debate over the concentration of actives at different stages. Once you've managed to get to a reasonably clean fruiting situation, you'll end up with way more than you need to trip your brains out. If you're going for bulk , then you kinda gotta figure out your optimal harvesting strategy yourself. Ideally, fruits should be picked before they start to rot. Everything else is up to you. Well, technically, even THAT is up to you, nobody's gonna stop you from eating half-rotten fruit or picking out the bad bits or making tea with it. Maybe you have a stomach of steel and don't give a shit.

I personally pick whenever and however I feel like it, often based on when I have time to harvest and process fruit. With multiple tubs going at once, all in slightly different stages, that could mean picking everything from blown-out stem monsters to reasonably accessible pins in one session. It's all getting ground up and mixed together anyway, so I could give a fuck about bag appeal. The next person might want picture-perfect toadstools, or have a particular preference as to wha they like to eat.

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Ohhh boy... I totally agree with you. As a bulk producer myself though Im essentially obligated to make the bag appeal as pretty as possible in order to consistently move tens of lbs of fungi. Open caps and Spored out fruits are buyers favorite things to bitch about. Ive had this argument with so many people...A lot of people try to say "once the cap is bigger than a thumbnail it quits producing psilocybin" lmao 😂 And im talking people that will purchase 20 to 100+ lbs actually believe this BS and spread it around. Its been repeated over and over on the west coast... But yeah at the very least spores make the end product ugly and mostly closed caps and uniform fruits add to bag appeal. If youre not moving weight then this obviously matters a whole lot less. Its been a subject of lot sof frustration though. Basically I err on the side of harvesting early on spore dropping strains... I highly favor albino genetics that look cool with open caps (avery , TAT) or non sporey and non noticible open cap strains like PE varieties (Melmac ❤️❤️❤️❤️). Ive still had customers bitch about averies or tats with open wavy caps that look beautiful repeating the same open cap fucking bullshit...

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Or...if you're moving processed/value-added weight, like chocolates or capsules or hust bulk homogenized powder, then it really doesn't matter at all as long as everything is clean and not rotten. Also a convenient and tactful way to effectively say "Here's what I have, I could give a fuck about your Wook science, just eat it and trip" lol

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cardboardandsoap said:

outdated and obsolete information: misting soap water in the SAB

I've thoroughly enjoyed the hazing of this one, creating decreased visibility in the SAB for no reason at all. Lol

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tryptkaloids said:

Needing something and it having benefit are two different discussions.

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B Traven said:

Not that I'm particularly attached to the idea, but I will push back on this just a little...

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I agree with you 100%, I still soap water my SAB. It has to do with the timing of my workflow. I don't wait around for gravity after making a mess of air in the SAB, soap water seems to help lower my contamination rates. The lower viability is a trade off for me.

However the point of this thread is to acknowledge obsolete information, that given proper SOP soap water is NOT needed. I work well outside of proper SOP, so it can help me.

An analogy: Sterilizing coir is harmless

I would disagree, in some cases its necessary to sterilize. One could pickup a bulk supply of coir at Trader Joes, in an unmarked torn package from a hobo with piss and shit stains on his shirt spitting profanities just trying to make another couple bucks for his next high. I wouldn't risk my culture on that random supply, and take the few hours to sterilize it if it saved me a few bucks on his likely stolen stash of coir. Not everyone is loaded.

Same goes with troubleshooting "wtf, where did that trich come from". Part of the troubleshooting process is eliminating possible contam vectors, and its a very easy (quick) thing to proof-out a bad coir supply by sterilizing it and running a few samples.

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I've just completed reading of Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms by Paul Stamets and it's reminded me of the importance of helping others (few knee slapping out-dated boomer assumptions in there too lol), in whatever ways possible, that lowering the barrier to entry on access to household grown medicines should be a primary goal. Help as many people as possible sift through noise will help achieve that goal.

This thread has gone through every emotion of noise possible. It's absolutely packed with some gold nuggets but equally polluted with noise. I've read every single post and indexed up to #29356646.

I hope this is helpful in getting the OP updated and fill some gaps on things missing or previously stated that could use some clarification.

Agar Work & Media
Caramelized agar read more
plastic petris
Slants read more

Colonization Beliefs & Timing
Keeping grain in the dark until fully colonized
Waiting for the sub to be fully colonized before fruiting conditions
Soaking fully colonized grain spawn before spawning read more
[url=https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687#:~:text=The%20idea%20that-,shroomery%20is%20jelous%20of%20noob%20stupidity,-]shroomery is jelous of noob stupidity[/url]

Contamination & Myths
invincible endospores
spawn is somehow super pasteurized instead of sterilized
Contaminated tubs destroying grow areas

Contamination Control Methods
Hydrogen peroxide read more read more 2 read more 3 read more 4 read more 5 read more 6
UV-C read more
Ozone read more
use of Lysol
cutting trich out and salting the hole read more
spray bottle with ever-so-slightly soapy water read more this current post
toss contaminated tubs ASAP

Contamination Risks
Wet grains cause bacteria read more

Cultivation Equipment
sgfc read more read more 2
humidifiers read more
Automated tubs
tents for cubes

Cultivation Equipment / Hacks
Fork tek read more

Cultivation Myths & Shortcuts
Uncle Bens!

Cultivation Theory
distinction between fruiting conditions and spawning read more read more 2

Drying & Storage
low temperature drying and its kin
Sun drying
blowing air with a fan
drying in the fridge
dehydrator times and temp
Low temps (160°F/71°C) negatively effects potency

Environmental Conditions
low 70s degrees because scared of contams read more
higher temps will help contam grow quicker

Fruiting Conditions & Maintenance
regular misting
fanning read more read more 2 [url=https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687/fpart/3/vc/1#:~:text=why%20them%20fruits%20steached%20]read more 3[/url]
closing off fae at spawning read more
when to introduce fae
Worrying about Co2
misting 3 times a day read more
droplets were a direct consequence of misting read more read more 2
Cold shocking

Harvesting Practices
Harvesting should be done before the veils break read more

Humor & Meme Lore
Spores to penis read more

Inoculation & Culture Expansion
Spores to grain
Spores to LC
[url=https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687#:~:text=boosts%20performance/increases%20yield;-,Sugar%20LC,-]Sugar LC[/url]

Light & Phototropism
using grow lights or full spectrum bulbs

Pinning & Side-Pin Theories
taping/painting tubs to reduce side-pins
painting your tub with spraypaint to stop side pinning
light having anything to do with side pins
wrap your all-in-one bag with an ace bandage to stop the side pins
side-pinning has nothing to do with light read more
side pins are partially genetic read more [url=https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687/fpart/3/vc/1#:~:text=the%20tub%20dosnt%20look%20like%20it%20seperated%20from%20the%20wall%20of%20the%20tub%20either%20like%20i%20said%20above%20thats%20why%20u%20get%20side%20pins%20while%20the%20first%20flush%20is%20forming%20evaporation%20off%20the%20sub%20even%20on%20the%20sides%20%20the%20is%20a%20micro%20climate%20between%20the%20wall%20of%20the%20tub%20and%20sub%20]read more 2[/url]

Pinning Theories & Conditions
evaporation is the main pinning trigger read more read more 2 read more 3
good pinset is definitely from max fae without a dry surface

Potency Myths & Lore
Bluing signifies potency
Aborts are more potent than other fruit

Sterile Technique & Equipment
gloveboxes
no pc venting read more
sterile making tubs
PCS Kill everything and any contamination is your fault
seal bags before PCing them read more
wear gloves read more read more 2
Showering, brushing teeth, put on new clothing, etc. read more

Strain-Specific Traits
PE love to blob in low 70s

Substrate & Additives
substrate additives like worm casings, gypsum, coffee, lime, etc.
manure substrates are beneficial for cubes read more read more 2 [url=https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687#:~:text=Yet%20thousands%20of%20pounds%20are,and%20profiting%20off%20them.%20]read more 3[/url]
higher nutrient content (ammendments/nootz) in substrate boosts performance/increases yield read more
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687#:~:text=Pasteurization%20of%20coir/verm;-,Gypsum,-;
Coffee grounds or liquid coffee as an additive
Vermiculite has better water holding capacity than coir read more
[url=https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28473687#:~:text=used%20today%20-,Pasteurizing%20coir,-is%20a%20big]Pasteurizing coir[/url] read more
bucket Tek wasting their time boiling water
Pasteurization of coir/verm