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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: KlarnEvil9] * 1
    #29314316 -

I remember this discussion all the way back in 2015 lol
Fanning is silly, proper airflow was all that's needed. If they look a lil dry, open and mist.
P.s. I hate shotgun fc. Haven't seen one in 10 years.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
sure I can tell you a much easier way but I don't think you want to hear it. not for me anyway.



yes i do :takingnotes:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420] * 3
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I literally started a thread called "fuck FAE" based on a conversation that started in the Cultivation Confessional.

My motivation was a basic issue with the terminology, because I don't think we're really talking about fresh air exchange when we use the acronym FAE. Quart jars with a 1/4 inch filtered hole at the tip aren't starved for oxygen. Hell, I've got genetics that will eventually start fruiting under those conditions- form pins on the surface of the grain, and send runners up the glass with more pins attached to them. I've had neglected jars that I had to harvest from before spawning.

FUCK FAE


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Edited by B Traven (08/15/25 04:25 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420]
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tripdawg420 said:
PhenoDreamers said:
You're really going out of your way to argue for no reason here. If you don't like something being listed here as outdated, then maybe you should PROVE why fanning isn't outdated. Because all I see is just incoherent ramblings



fresh air exchange exactly what it says :shrug: can u tell me a better way to exchange the air in the tub i would like to hear it :shrug:



Nah fuck that. I want you to prove why it's needed

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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FAE = Fahts As Entanglements ?


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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PhenoDreamers said:
tripdawg420 said:
PhenoDreamers said:
You're really going out of your way to argue for no reason here. If you don't like something being listed here as outdated, then maybe you should PROVE why fanning isn't outdated. Because all I see is just incoherent ramblings



fresh air exchange exactly what it says :shrug: can u tell me a better way to exchange the air in the tub i would like to hear it :shrug:



Nah fuck that. I want you to prove why it's needed



ok imma explaine this what happens w a tub is when ur bringing it to fruiting ur indroducing air the no.2 pinning trigger is evaporation after full colonization with holes being in the tub heat rises from the myc creating a current pulling fresh air throgh the holes in the side really its helps but it aint enought beacuse it a small natural current that way eventually there will be more hot stale air in ur tub than air thats  why u fan to exchange the whole tubs enviorment reseting the enviormentmore fresh air being pulled through the holes more evaporation more moisior in the tub thin about how they grow in a feild and then when u go to fan ur tub all the moistior that has been brought up throught the current created by the heat being generated from the sub it collects on the lid and when u fan ur tubs using the lid the moistior will ran back down over ur tub it will start to evaporate filling ur tub back up w humid air thats how a mono tubs work
now plz explaine to me something diffrent:shrug:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420]
    #29314353 -

Luk all I'm sayin is you got all this talk but no proof. You can't back it up :lmafo::shrug:

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
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well alright man.  i was kinda hurt when you said i didnt understand "fae" because its kinda the thing i obsess over.  pinning study is my main thing! but i was kinda being a dick too so.  anyway.

the thing ive realized is that airflow is a super interesting mechanism with cubes because mycelium generates a lot of heat.

pasty tubs were the game-changer of the last 20 years because they utilize that function.  rising warmer air out, cooler dry air in. 

i started working with some different designs that i was doing even better with. ez-dial was the beginning, not end.

pasty's hole pattern always gave me dry edges and a wet center.  i started putting holes in the lid, then three low holes on each side and that really seemed to do a more consistent job of exchange. 

warm air up and out, dry cool air in the lower holes.  the result was a remarkably consistent pinset, especially in the center where i was always getting a late start with previous designs.

it was also helpful for eliminating condensation on the lid and "raining" but not completely.  i was trying to create a totally "rainless" set-and-forget design.  never quite got it dialed in before i had to move but ill get back to work on it at some point when my gf finally unpacks her boxes and i get room for labwork. 

my next design i was thinking of was more but smaller holes.  maybe as many as 20 or 30 pinholes around the sides just above the substrate level and an equal number on the lid.  i think i can eventually develope a true set-and-forget design that would work for anyone in a dry climate like mine.  for the damper growers, i think youd just have to double the holes or so...

its all a pie in the sky right now.  ive tried around 10 or 15 different designs and im certainly not ready to publish my findings yet, but i certainly improved on the pasty hole pattern.

and like i said dude, fanning probably doesnt hurt, and it probably does help in an unmodified tub, but its not neccesary with the right hole pattern.   




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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said:
I literally started a thread called "fuck FAE" based on a conversation that started in the Cultivation Confessional.

My motivation was a basic issue with the terminology, because I don't think we're really talking about fresh air exchange when we use the acronym FAE. Quart jars with a 1/4 inch filtered hole at the tip aren't starved for oxygen. Hell, I've got genetics that will eventually start fruiting under those conditions- form pins on the surface of the grain, and send runners up the glass with more pins attached to them. I've had neglected jars that I had to harvest from before spawning.

FUCK FAE



lol im banned from posting in ur thread so ya :shrug:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420] * 2
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In other news, run-on sentences mean you are an expert.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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PhenoDreamers said:
Luk all I'm sayin is you got all this talk but no proof. You can't back it up :lmafo::shrug:



what u wana see some tubs what do u want me to do i explained how a mono works :shrug: plz explaine to me ur version of fruiting tubs :headbang3:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420]
    #29314365 -

yo man, i just spent a bunch of time sharing my research with you and you seem to have either ignored it or missed it :/

there is no way you can say hole pattern "isnt enough".

i can consistently get this same pinset every single time without fail.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420] * 2
    #29314366 -

All I want is for you to learn how to use punctuation and how to make sentences, FFS.

:foreheadslap:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: KlarnEvil9]
    #29314389 -

BeefSupremeJr said:
yo man, i just spent a bunch of time sharing my research with you and you seem to have either ignored it or missed it :/

there is no way you can say hole pattern "isnt enough".

i can consistently get this same pinset every single time without fail.



yes i use 2 inch holes and u gotta realise its passive it aint going to fill ur tub up like  it was a fan blowing the tub will fill up w more over saturated hot air even w holes passive air fanning blows all the old air hot humid air out so it can reset its just like if the wind blows out side:shrug:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420]
    #29314398 -

id say at this point i agree with pheno. the burden of proof is on you.  there is no way to convince you.  ive shown images of wall-to-wall pins and that doesnt convice you.  ive shown you canopies that have not a milimeter of space between the stipes and that doesnt convince you. im at a loss. 

do you think i dont understand growing cubes? do you think i suck at this? i dont know what we are even talking about anymore. i thought you genuinely wanted to learn what i was doing but that doesnt appear to be the case.

if there is a point we are presently traveling towards i pray that we arrive soon.

i even gave you the benefit and said yeah, fanning doesnt hurt. you just dont seem to understand the definition of the word "neccesary"

Edited by BeefExtreme (08/15/25 05:45 PM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420]
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tripdawg420 said:
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B Traven said:
I literally started a thread called "fuck FAE" based on a conversation that started in the Cultivation Confessional.

My motivation was a basic issue with the terminology, because I don't think we're really talking about fresh air exchange when we use the acronym FAE. Quart jars with a 1/4 inch filtered hole at the tip aren't starved for oxygen. Hell, I've got genetics that will eventually start fruiting under those conditions- form pins on the surface of the grain, and send runners up the glass with more pins attached to them. I've had neglected jars that I had to harvest from before spawning.

FUCK FAE



lol im banned from posting in ur thread so ya :shrug:



A. Doesn't stop you from reading it,

And

B. I have no idea what you're talking about. If that's actually a thing, I certainly didn't have anything to do with it.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
    #29314401 -

man bro it just makes since trying to mock what happens in nature in doors :shrug:


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
    #29314402 -

B Traven said:
tripdawg420 said:
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B Traven said:
I literally started a thread called "fuck FAE" based on a conversation that started in the Cultivation Confessional.

My motivation was a basic issue with the terminology, because I don't think we're really talking about fresh air exchange when we use the acronym FAE. Quart jars with a 1/4 inch filtered hole at the tip aren't starved for oxygen. Hell, I've got genetics that will eventually start fruiting under those conditions- form pins on the surface of the grain, and send runners up the glass with more pins attached to them. I've had neglected jars that I had to harvest from before spawning.

FUCK FAE



lol im banned from posting in ur thread so ya :shrug:



A. Doesn't stop you from reading it,

And

B. I have no idea what you're talking about. If that's actually a thing, I certainly didn't have anything to do with it.



if i cant post idc :shrug: thats crazy u make a post and bann the mf its about :laugh2:


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wbs tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11525679
coir tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11917410
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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tripdawg420]
    #29314404 -

tripdawg420 said:
man bro it just makes since trying to mock what happens in nature in doors :shrug:



i get that but these arent a wild species anymore.  theyre domesticated--big time.


it was a great concept, it just isnt neccesary

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
    #29314405 -

wat? B isnt a mod dude. even if that was a thing, he wouldnt be able to do that

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