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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Do you go Agar to hwfp or grain to hwfp?

Also, what's the problem with oak?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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I was doing agar -> grain -> HWFP and coir in tubs.

You can prep the HWFP with the coir in a dedicated bucket and it’s good to go. The myc should readily colonize it.

Oak is fine, as far as I understand, but post oak is rot resistant and killed every single tub I added it to. Fast. Mycelium wouldn’t touch it.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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QQ I have 3T unicorn bags of Ovoid and Cyan sawdust spawn that I used to inoculate 5-gal buckets of wood chips today. I did about 4-5 layers and now I'm finished, but now I'm wondering if I should I give them a soak...? My plan is to just the buckets fully colonize and then use them to start some outdoor beds


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Re: smellyhobbit

Ty brother 🙏 💙 ill have to try these also now especially for exotics


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb]
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Psicomb said:
Stipe-n Cap said:
2 weeks is good, but why in thw love of god are Y'all sterilizing chips for outdoor beds. Honestly, just try hwfp spawn, you'll thank me.


What are your thoughts on grain-based spawn vs hwfp in terms of yield and performance of flushes?  I assume it’s probably fairly similar but I’ve heard people who are all into da sciencez or whatever say things like nitrogen (which is way more concentrated in grain) is pretty essential for getting fat flushes.



Too much grain outdoors attracts vermin, so I wouldn't recommend it. As far as P cyanescens is concerned I haven't boticed an issue with sawdust spawn made this way. I presume the same will be true for allenii or ovoid.

Gourmet farms use supplements because they don't use much spawn. We replace bran for grain as a 1:1 replacement essentially. Gourmet blocks are 15-20% supplementation by weight when using bran, and 50/50 when using masters mix, which isn't suitable for all species.


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I reflect on how supplemented sawdust outperforms unsupp. sawdust / how if you spawn a monotub of cubes with 1qt spawn vs 4qt spawn the yields will be noticeably different.


Using just one jar of spawn to 2 dry lbs of hwfp is somewhat substantial supplementation. 1250ml h2o (2.7lbs) + 2lbs hwfp = 4.7lbs. 1 jar of spawn is roughly 1lb. This is approximately 21% supplementation, which is pretty decent by gourmet standards.

The surface area of the sawdust makes for awesome contact with chips and goes a very long ways. With that much surface area when compared to the grain spawn used to inoculate it with, the sawdust reduces the amount of exposed grain when compared to chips. The mycelium itself is quite attractive to skunks and probably raccoons  so it's essential to reduce the overall surface area of the grain, imo. Sawdust is imo the best possible choice for outdoor expansion.

I've used hwfp spawn for many species, it works great every time.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 6
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Beginner wood lover here! Living in the PNW (oregon) about 50 miles from the coast.

Today I set free some azurescens spawn. I made a little planters box, put some soil in it and planted a fern. Mixed in some alder wood chips, along with some home made wood chips (mostly fir) and then threw in the mycelium. To grow the mycelium I germinated on MEA, passaged twice to clean it up, then went to rye berries mixed with alder chips. I used the grain spawn to inoculate a shoe box tub of sterile alder chpis.

I'm hoping the azzies grow well under the fern. :grin:

Grain jars



Transfer to shoe box tubs with sterilized alder chpis


Planters box


Making some wood chips


Mycelium ready to be set free


Ingredients - fern, soil, alder chips, fir chips


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New home


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Hopefully fruits this fall or the next or the next :laugh:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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Right on, that makes sense. Yeah it will be interesting playing around with sawdust spawn and seeing what’s up.  I definitely can’t imagine grain, or supplementation rather, is the be all end all when it comes to large flushes.  I’ve seen pics of landscaped spots that exploded naturally with Cyanescens completely grain free.

Im not too concerned about pests but I know other people wouldn’t want them around.  I live in an urban environment so there’s trash and food everywhere close by outside all the time, plus my quince and fig trees, so rats, raccoons, and birds have already basically set up shop before I moved in.

Anywho, appreciate the thoughts man


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb] * 2
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Those blocks work great for gourmets as well. You can get pretty decent flushes by replacing bran with a full master jar of grain spawn to an expanded bag of hwfp. It makes roughly 6lb production block.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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The

Gandalfiana starting to take off on WBS.

Very excited about this one, hoping it’s not too late to get some fruits in the autumn.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Psicomb] * 1
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Psicomb said:
Right on, that makes sense. Yeah it will be interesting playing around with sawdust spawn and seeing what’s up.  I definitely can’t imagine grain, or supplementation rather, is the be all end all when it comes to large flushes.  I’ve seen pics of landscaped spots that exploded naturally with Cyanescens completely grain free.

Im not too concerned about pests but I know other people wouldn’t want them around.  I live in an urban environment so there’s trash and food everywhere close by outside all the time, plus my quince and fig trees, so rats, raccoons, and birds have already basically set up shop before I moved in.

Anywho, appreciate the thoughts man


When I start a new outdoor bed with any grains involved I make a basket/box sort of thing out of 1/4” metal screen, aka hardware cloth, put my chips and spawn inside it, wire it shut all around and put it in a hole lined with rocks. I have ducks and chickens that will destroy and unprotected patch in seconds so I had to take extreme measures. Keeps the critters out of it. They can’t chew through metal.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
2 weeks is good, but why in thw love of god are Y'all sterilizing chips for outdoor beds. Honestly, just try hwfp spawn, you'll thank me.


 
Hands down, the most impressive grows I’ve seen on here were started with sterilized wood chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: tunga]
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Sweet👌


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 2
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I have a different form of squirrel deterrent.

My wife puts birdseed in a hanging tray in a tree, and my cats are outside pretty much the entire daytime.

On the one hand you have an easy safe meal, and on the other you have 3 cats that want you for a meal.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop]
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Blopblop said:
Stipe-n Cap said:
2 weeks is good, but why in thw love of god are Y'all sterilizing chips for outdoor beds. Honestly, just try hwfp spawn, you'll thank me.


 
Hands down, the most impressive grows I’ve seen on here were started with sterilized wood chips.


Lol...

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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That reminds me. I have ovoids on hwfp that are good to spawn. Used hwfp / brf, looks ugly as hell, but they did like it.

I didn't PC them but it looks bacterial af. Colonized fast and without trouble though. Will lay out a bed and report back. Two jars to a bed, did it several times with sterilized chips in the past weeks, should be able to compare. (Not because I don't believe you or whatever, I just need to see things for myself).



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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I'm not sure what you did so I can't vouch for that process. That's a very tiny amount of spawn. The benefit of sawdust spawn is in the expansion, here's how it goes.

Make grain spawn as per usual, then spawn to (once cooled) a 3t bag with: 2lbs hwfp, 1250ml boiled water. 2lbs hwfp is roughly 5cups iirc :shrug:

This makes a ~5-6lb spawn bag.



Then expand to fermented woodchip bed lined with cardboard:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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I  have 10 bags of hwfp (lipa tek) colonizing right now. They look perfectly healthy. I like trying different things. Last year I had success with grain direct to chips outdoors. All manor of things can work, and still, I stand by my previous statement.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 3
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My entire point was comparative. Yeah, you can sterilize woodchips to make spawn, but how many bags and how much time is invested in making enough woodchip spawn to inoculate a 55gal drum or two worth of bed material?

Or, you can pour boiled water into 3t bags and have enough sawdust prepared to plant hundreds of square feet worth of beds, for multiple species in a single afternoon. One ia not necessarily "better" in terms of quality of flush, one is simply far more labor intensive and therfore restricts what can be achieved.

This is how the rest of the world outside of shroomery grows outdoor mushrooms, I've just adopted the most common sense approach and felt like it was worth sharing, hoping to make someones life a little easier and a bit more productive.

Sawdust spawn is auper convenient at every scale of production whereas chips are inconvenient by comparison, whether it be small or large, and is increasingly inconvenient/labor intensive as scale increases.




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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 3
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He's gonna mist


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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You’re not wrong, the time required to sterilize bags of chips in any meaningful number  is a bottle neck. Personally I like that spawning colonized chips is safer. Safer in that it’s already colonized. Grain direct probably will take but maybe not. Depending on weather it may rot, or get eaten by birds. I’m not sure what might stop sawdust spawn from taking to a bed of wood chips, but it’s not guaranteed. I’m planning on starting another batch of sterilized chips this year for the India wood lover. In this case it seems especially important. As it seems to me i’d want the substrate nearly 100% colonized in time for warm fruiting temperatures? In this case my plan is to use a very high spawn ratio. At any rate……


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